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William S Dec 27, 2012 2:52 pm


Originally Posted by mlasser (Post 19924530)
C'mon Moondog. be honest with them about the taxi situation. My wife and I are experienced world travelers and she was in tears over not being able to get taxis in Beijing. Less of a problem in Xi'an and Datong, but still a problem. Taxis in Beijing will pass you to pick up a Chinese person routinely and it took us over an hour to get taxis to pick us up at tourist sites. Pretty much the only way we could get a taxi was to have a hotel or restaurant arrange one or to get an indie driver from Moondog which even then has reliability issues and significant expense. To be honest with the OP, as a non native speaker, Beijing was the second most difficult city we've traveled in after Delhi (Asia, Europe, S. America). It's not impossible, but it's quite difficult. A Chinese guide should uncomplicate your logistics and make your day go by more smoothly and should alleviate frustrations. On both my trips to China, we didn't see some things we wanted to as a result of difficult transportation issues and language is a massive issue.

Well at least in Beijing you don't need a Chinese guide to enjoy your trip. The metro covers most places of interest for a tourist in Beijing, costs 2 Yunan, may involve two-three or even four changes, but still it is easy for a non Mandarin speaker to use. The only thing is that is packed pretty much any time of the day. The positive thing though is that the layout of Beijing is waay better than Tokyo for example which is basically just a mess (actually many small cities packed into one big one).

PTravel Dec 27, 2012 3:34 pm


Originally Posted by trueblu (Post 19925920)
But equally, let's be honest that your experiences of China do not accurately reflect those of the vast majority of visitors -- either in experience itself (i.e. yes, getting cabs can be a pain, but not as bad as you suffered) or in perception.

I concur. I've been going to China regularly for nearly 20 years. I find it no more difficult to get around than any other country where I don't speak the language. I find taxis in Beijing problematic only in that many drivers are from elsewhere in the country and don't necessarily know their way around the city. However, having the address of the destination written in characters, and a phone number (and cellphone) just in case, handles 99% of the problems when a driver gets lost (which is not that often). The other 1% of the time, just get out and get another cab. I've never had cabs pass me up for a Chinese passenger. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it's certainly never happened to me. I've never, not once, had the slightest issue catching a taxi from the airport. Frankly, I can't imagine being tied to a guide for a visit to Beijing, Different strokes, I suppose.

BuildingMyBento Dec 27, 2012 3:45 pm


Originally Posted by trueblu (Post 19925920)
But equally, let's be honest that your experiences of China do not accurately reflect those of the vast majority of visitors -- either in experience itself (i.e. yes, getting cabs can be a pain, but not as bad as you suffered) or in perception.

Not to dispute that your trip was ruined -- but this does not necessarily mean that others will suffer the same fate or, importantly, have as bad a time.

For any savvy FTer who has read the relevant threads, they will realise that a) most Chinese DO NOT speak English and b) taxis in Beijing are cheap, but getting them at peak times in peak locations can be tricky but c) neither of these two facts require one to either hire a private hotel car or a private guide to enjoy Beijing.

tb

The only thing worse about trying to hail a cab in Beijing is breathing Beijing. You don't need to hail a cab to do that...
I don't think they had such a uniquely unpleasant experience though. Shenzhen is equally frustrating (though since I used to live there, it's not as bad). Extending metro lines sounds nice, but then I remember which country they've been extended in... so buses, sadly, become my usual go-to (whereas most mainland cities don't have English on their buses- fair enough - Beijing, Shenzhen, and probably others increasingly do, not to mention also having announcements in local languages, depending on where in China you are).
I'd pay double the usual charges for some mode of transit that didn't have a tv (often playing videos of East German circus troupes) or mobile access. Since (taxis), buses and metros all have both of those things, I guess that's why I learned how to walk.

moondog Dec 27, 2012 4:13 pm


Originally Posted by BuildingMyBento (Post 19929520)
Since (taxis), buses and metros all have both of those things, I guess that's why I learned how to walk.

Ah, yes, the number 11 bus. :)

I also find those Touch Media displays in the Shanghai taxis to be maddening (I'm not supposed to say this because apparently those guys are a business partner of ours, but I am human). Invariably, the one part of the touch screen that doesn't work is the volume/power button in the lower right hand corner.

anacapamalibu Dec 27, 2012 4:59 pm


Originally Posted by mlasser (Post 19924530)
Taxis in Beijing will pass you to pick up a Chinese person routinely and it took us over an hour to get taxis to pick us up at tourist sites. .


Originally Posted by PTravel (Post 19929462)
I've never had cabs pass me up for a Chinese passenger. .

Neng pian, jiu pian!

Step back 10 ft, have the 178 cm chic wearing Marc Jacobs with a thick
LV bag, flag the cabbie. ^

chollie Dec 28, 2012 5:07 pm

I stayed in a hostel in Beijing twice in October.

The hostel provides a map (in Chinese) with directions, buildings and streets and subway stations labelled and marked, and a phone number. On both trips, the taxi driver from the airport got lost. The second time, the driver was on the phone with owner of the hostel, arguing that he was at the right hutong and right public toilet (he was not, even I was able to recognize that).

When I booked a return car to the airport (very expensive), the hostel advised me to do so because they said even they (Chinese) frequently had long delays trying to flag down taxis on the main streets. (Dongsi and Chaoyangmen Inner Street).

Fortunately the underground system is good. I don't like taking metered taxis, and I admit I've gotten spoiled in Asian countries where I can usually negotiate a fixed fare.

moondog Dec 28, 2012 5:12 pm


Originally Posted by chollie (Post 19935668)
When I booked a return car to the airport (very expensive),

You could have just reserved a taxi (this works pretty well for airport runs if you provide a bit of advance notice).

chollie Dec 29, 2012 12:03 am


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 19935681)
You could have just reserved a taxi (this works pretty well for airport runs if you provide a bit of advance notice).

I am that 21st century rarity, someone who travels without a cellphone. :(


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