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Santander Apr 26, 2012 9:05 am


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 18461603)
And, the fact that both simplified characters (now common in Japan/Korea) and pinyin are smashing successes, demonstrates that the powers that be are not morons in this respect.

I'm in Korea right now and I see almost all Chinese characters on signage and newspapers in traditional characters. Pretty much the only simplified characters I see are on literature and signage directed solely at tourists from mainland China. I highly doubt many Koreans can even read simplified characters. Perhaps people who are learning Mandarin here might learn simplified characters as they usually learn Beijing dialect but in terms of public usage it's pretty much unseen. I learned a bit of Mandarin in Korea in school and I was taught in traditional characters from an ethnic Chinese-Korean instructor, but that was years ago. I suppose it's possible things have changed with the rise of China and improving bilateral relations.


Originally Posted by anacapamalibu (Post 18462899)
Cantopop is OK.
Taiwan songs not too good.

Really? I've always felt Cantonese is too "choppy" for music... I actually like Taiwanese music, at least some of it. If they start singing in Hokkien I get totally lost though.

Bear4Asian Apr 26, 2012 10:50 am

Today's New York Times has a review of two iPhone apps for learning Mandarin from basic to advanced. I installed the "Living Language - Chinese" app and it looks pretty good. The NYT gave a good review. And the basic level is free.

See: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/26/te...ref=technology

mnredfox Apr 26, 2012 6:38 pm

KTV teaching mainlanders traditional Chinese is like English being taught to kids in Mexico from Grand Theft Auto....

payam81 Apr 26, 2012 7:25 pm


Originally Posted by mnredfox (Post 18468060)
KTV teaching mainlanders traditional Chinese is like English being taught to kids in Mexico from Grand Theft Auto....

lol

The best part is to many people in Los Angeles, GTA's English is relatively like Shakespeare...

lin821 Apr 27, 2012 6:14 am


Originally Posted by anacapamalibu (Post 18462899)
Cantopop is OK.
Taiwan songs not too good.

You have been missing out all the goodies in Taiwan. Have you heard of this, this, this and that?

I like Karen Mok (莫文蔚) too.

beep88 Apr 27, 2012 3:09 pm


Originally Posted by mnredfox (Post 18468060)
KTV teaching mainlanders traditional Chinese is like English being taught to kids in Mexico from Grand Theft Auto....

ABC's also learn traditional Chinese from KTV. Much more effective than weekend Chinese classes when they were little kids.

anacapamalibu Apr 27, 2012 3:41 pm


Originally Posted by lin821 (Post 18470092)
You have been missing out all the goodies in Taiwan. Have you heard of this, this, this and that?

I like Karen Mok (莫文蔚) too.

A goody from Taiwan

葉蒨文

Very melodic

Skyman65 Apr 27, 2012 5:56 pm


Originally Posted by anacapamalibu (Post 18472979)
A goody from Taiwan

葉蒨文

Very melodic

:confused:

If that's from Taiwan, why is it in Cantonese?

anacapamalibu Apr 27, 2012 9:48 pm


Originally Posted by Skyman65 (Post 18473593)
:confused:

If that's from Taiwan, why is it in Cantonese?

I guess that's where the money was/is at.

lin821 Apr 28, 2012 6:07 am

Exclusively Taiwan talent ...
 

Originally Posted by beep88 (Post 18472834)
ABC's also learn traditional Chinese from KTV. Much more effective than weekend Chinese classes when they were little kids.

Yes, I learn ABCs are quite into KTV. I guess KTV is much less boring than then 2-hr Chinese School over the weekends. ;)


Originally Posted by anacapamalibu (Post 18474410)

Originally Posted by Skyman65 (Post 18473593)
:confused:

If that's from Taiwan, why is it in Cantonese?

I guess that's where the money was/is at.

Nah (see below for details).


Originally Posted by Skyman65 (Post 18473593)
:confused:

Originally Posted by anacapamalibu (Post 18472979)
A goody from Taiwan

葉蒨文

If that's from Taiwan, why is it in Cantonese?

No doubt she has a great voice but Sally Yeh is not "authentic" Taiwanese (i.e. born and raised in Taiwan). If I am not mistaken, she's been in Canada and was "accidentally" discovered by a star scout when she visited a family in Taiwan in the 80s. She's been more active in Hong Kong due to her "love interest", and now her husband, since 1990s. Hong Kong has been home for her for like more than 2 decades. I would have put her in the Hong Kong category if I had to.

There are other great non-Taiwanese singers whose great hits are 100% MIT (made in Taiwan) but I didn't mention in my earlier post due to the fact that they are not "authentic" Taiwanese. 孫燕姿 (Stefanie Sun: her MV-天黑黑) and 蔡健雅 (Tanya Chua: her MV- 無底洞) are two outstanding examples of such.

OK. Let me not be gender-biased. Allow me to honorably mention another Mr. Big from Taiwan: 李宗盛!

李宗盛: 給自己的歌

Santander Apr 28, 2012 2:26 pm


Originally Posted by lin821 (Post 18475423)
Nah (see below for details).

Maybe not in this case, but there was certainly a time when there was more money and interest in Cantonese music than Mandarin music. Almost every Mandarin singer who goes to HK records at least some Cantonese music. The trend seems to be going the other way now though with the rise of China and the suppression of non-Mandarin languages in Taiwan and Singapore. Personally I thought there was some interesting English music being produced in HK too pre-handover.

mnredfox Apr 28, 2012 4:48 pm


Originally Posted by Skyman65 (Post 18473593)
:confused:

If that's from Taiwan, why is it in Cantonese?

Lol

Skyman65 Apr 28, 2012 6:40 pm


Originally Posted by Santander (Post 18477124)
...and the suppression of non-Mandarin languages in Taiwan...

:confused:

What "suppression of non-Mandarin languages" are you referring to? If anything, in Taiwan, there are [small] factions trying suppress Mandarin in favor of the Taiwanese dialect.

Santander Apr 28, 2012 7:28 pm


Originally Posted by Skyman65 (Post 18478119)
What "suppression of non-Mandarin languages" are you referring to? If anything, in Taiwan, there are [small] factions trying suppress Mandarin in favor of the Taiwanese dialect.

Not now but I meant until the 80s when Cantonese was definitely the dominant Chinese pop music language.


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