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Originally Posted by anacapamalibu
(Post 17516220)
Close door buttons in China actually work. Here in US don't do much as there are set close times as prescibed by american disabilities act which essentially renders close door button useless.
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Originally Posted by Mike Jacoubowsky
(Post 17511326)
Funny you should mention the close button for elevator doors. I'd never ever seen that used, almost as a defensive (or offensive?) gesture, before my trip to China. The second someone would come in after me they'd rush for that button, despite others heading to the elevator. What's with that? I didn't give it much thought at the time.
I'm also curious about references to Chinese natives being less than friendly. The younger people in particular were so friendly and helpful that, at times, I wondered if I was being set up for a scam (tea ceremony or some such). If I looked even slightly puzzled in a subway station, someone came by and offered assistance. Returning from one trip (early morning expedition to see the flag raising ceremony) I didn't have coins, just paper currency, and the only working machine on that side of the station needed coins. A security officer kindly helped out, offering me a coin for my bill. I think problems and unfriendly people while traveling are often opportunistic. If you expect them, they'll find you. A smile and a friendly tone, even when there are language issues, can go a long way. And stress is never, ever a good thing to display. Stress implies that you've got a tough problem that someone may not be able to help with, or for that matter won't want to deal with. As for natives, younger folks tend to have better manners than older. But you also see a mix of things going on too. I've seen younger folks yell at elders, and others than give up their seats to older people. A mix of both. But I will be the first to tell you despite the general lack of manners, most of my local Chinese friends have good manners and are very kind. And some of the most warm people I have ever met come from China - so don't take my comments to China all as negative. |
Originally Posted by trueblu
(Post 17516328)
They seem to work fine in MA -- perhaps it's a CA thing? I love close door buttons -- where they don't work is in the UK by and large. But judicious use is key.
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Originally Posted by mnredfox
(Post 17516513)
Elevators - it isn't they will close it on you, it's just if they see you coming no one will bother to stop the doors closing by pushing the open door button.
Originally Posted by mnredfox
(Post 17516513)
As for natives, younger folks tend to have better manners than older. But you also see a mix of things going on too. I've seen younger folks yell at elders, and others than give up their seats to older people. A mix of both. But I will be the first to tell you despite the general lack of manners, most of my local Chinese friends have good manners and are very kind. And some of the most warm people I have ever met come from China - so don't take my comments to China all as negative.
Many places I see, I think great, that was interesting, it's crossed off my list, now time to go see something else. Egypt was like that. Very glad I went, but no desire to go back. China? I want to go back! I want to see more. I want to spend more time in the crazy fake shopping areas. I want to try more adventurous food. I want to meet more people. ^China^ |
Originally Posted by Mike Jacoubowsky
(Post 17518150)
Er, no, I was observing people stabbing at the "close door" button the second they got into the elevator. It seemed almost reflexive. I'd say it was most-prevalent among those middle-aged, always male, typically looked like businessmen. Seriously, there would be people heading towards an elevator I was in, in plain sight, and the guy would be punching the button to close the door. :eek:
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Originally Posted by Mike Jacoubowsky
(Post 17518150)
Many places I see, I think great, that was interesting, it's crossed off my list, now time to go see something else. Egypt was like that. Very glad I went, but no desire to go back. China? I want to go back! I want to see more. I want to spend more time in the crazy fake shopping areas. I want to try more adventurous food. I want to meet more people. ^China^ |
Industry standard here is 3-6 seconds open to auto close. Considering that the CZ A380 flying domestic can board in 10 minutes and 5 years here = 1 year in China. They should be programmed for 1-3 seconds door close. If its 15-20 seconds they must be using bootleg components not real OTIS.
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Originally Posted by anacapamalibu
(Post 17519301)
Industry standard here is 3-6 seconds open to auto close. Considering that the CZ A380 flying domestic can board in 10 minutes and 5 years here = 1 year in China. They should be programmed for 1-3 seconds door close. If its 15-20 seconds they must be using bootleg components not real OTIS.
And keep in mind that whatever your experience with OTIS--they only provides a subset of all elevators here due to their expense--Fujitsu, Kone, Schindler, and some other manufacturers are also ubiquitous. But all have the same issue. Regardless of manufacturer, "Industry standard" for presets will always be trumped by local code and practice, and directive of the elevator inspection/certification official, and by building ownership/management preferences. The hydraulic elevators are worse on delays than the high-speed electrics, as you might expect, but even the electrics/tractions lag more than you'd find in an equivalent model and vintage in office/hotel/public building complexes in western countries. Next time you are in China, take some elevator rides in a wide variety of buildings and use a stopwatch or something with sweep second hand to time the lags. By the end of your stay in China, you'll be pushing emphatically on that "door close" button also. |
Will do that. Might be difficult to block the alpha males from that close button without being offensive. Will borrow a KTV employee to distract attention in order to complete the study.:
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Originally Posted by Mike Jacoubowsky
(Post 17518150)
Er, no, I was observing people stabbing at the "close door" button the second they got into the elevator. It seemed almost reflexive. I'd say it was most-prevalent among those middle-aged, always male, typically looked like businessmen. Seriously, there would be people heading towards an elevator I was in, in plain sight, and the guy would be punching the button to close the door. :eek:
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Originally Posted by mnredfox
(Post 17516513)
And some of the most warm people I have ever met come from China .
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Next time you are in China, take some elevator rides in a wide variety of buildings and use a stopwatch or something with sweep second hand to time the lags. By the end of your stay in China, you'll be pushing emphatically on that "door close" button also.[/QUOTE]
Made a recent study. Close time seemed actually rather short. Avg ~2 seconds. However found it common that close button is always used as if its a requirement. More like a conditioned act. Sampling 12 buildings from 20 to +100 floors. |
Karma can be a Bee-ee-yi-i-itch
Originally Posted by jiejie
(Post 17473652)
<snip from my original post>
..I figure he's assuming by my luggage that he's about to get a fat fare to the airport. Not wanting to mislead him, I told him I was only going to Dongzhimen. He grinned and popped the trunk for the luggage and said yes, he'd take me. I didn't dare look at Chinese women #1 and #2. I wouldn't blame them for fuming, but I'm not about to turn down a lucky break!... <snip>
Originally Posted by anacapamalibu
(Post 17474334)
Taxi TIP@:-)
During rush hour carry a couple empty suitcases. Foreigner+suitcases= airport run. No waiting.^ |
Originally Posted by jiejie
(Post 18077485)
So I got out, only to have him lunge the taxi ahead about 20 m ahead to a Chinese woman with....a suitcase! :mad:
Where else would you find such a thing..alibaba.com.;) http://m.alibaba.com/product-gs/4911..._suitcase.html |
Originally Posted by anacapamalibu
(Post 18077679)
Need to carry a inflatable suitcase in your purse. Pull out blow it up..good to go to fake out taxi.
Where else would you find such a thing..alibaba.com.;) http://m.alibaba.com/product-gs/4911..._suitcase.html |
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