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anacapamalibu Sep 11, 2011 8:21 pm


Originally Posted by kitsura (Post 17090354)
most massage joints just rush through the massage portion so that they can get you to try their special menu.

Most might rush through a western foreigner because of too much "smell" and
"fur" ..body hair.:D

kitsura Sep 11, 2011 11:28 pm


Originally Posted by anacapamalibu (Post 17090844)
A phrase a I heard from an expat who killed a migrant worker
while driving drunk. Paid family <3500USD, never was charged
with a crime.

That's because his father wasn't Ligang otherwise he would have gotten off scott free.

mnredfox Sep 12, 2011 12:00 am

Didn't mean to spark such posts in a single comment. ;)

My intention was that so long as it's not some "special massage" and the place doesn't look 100% sketchy, I think if you want to try a massage (foot, shoulder, face, etc) in China go for it. Just make it clear you don't want anything illegitimate.


Originally Posted by MrHalliday (Post 17092763)
OK, it is not Beijing, but Kunming, 1997.
A wonderfully legitimate massage, from blind masseuses. :D

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/membe...ng-massage.jpg

Haha, Kunming. These days those same white coats will pull teeth and clean your eyes. Full service stop...

anacapamalibu Sep 12, 2011 9:18 am


Originally Posted by kitsura (Post 17093721)
That's because his father wasn't Ligang otherwise he would have gotten off scott free.

Almost identical, but the locals didn't understand english, so
didn't pickup on what he was saying.

he shouted out: "Go ahead, sue me if you dare. My dad is Li Gang!"

anacapamalibu Sep 13, 2011 8:57 am

Elite Impunity
 
Another Beijing Beating :confused:

sept 13
A famous Chinese general’s son who allegedly attacked a couple after a traffic dispute has become the target of widespread outrage in China.

Li Tianyi, the teenage son of Li Shuangjiang, a celebrity general who appears on Chinese television singing revolutionary songs, and a friend are accused of beating up a middle-aged couple in Beijing last week.

Mr Li and his friend, who was following in an Audi that appeared to have government licence plates, allegedly jumped out of their cars and attacked the couple as their child watched, while yelling at bystanders and daring them to call the police.

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/62854...#axzz1XqOrYQvI

The south gate security guard said that the two young drivers kept beating Mr. Peng while Yang was on the side begging them to stop. “At the time, the child in their car was crying particularly loud.”

Many residental community residents tesified that as the two drivers were beating [the husband], they were simultaneously attacking and shouting “Who dares to call 110!”

Witnesses say the two young drivers continued to beat the married couple for around 3 minutes, with blood dripping from the couple’s heads onto their faces.


http://img.chinasmack.com/wp-content...07-560x420.jpg

Better Stay away from cars with this license plate #

http://img.chinasmack.com/wp-content...es-560x353.jpg

PTravel Sep 13, 2011 9:51 am


Originally Posted by anacapamalibu (Post 17101161)
Another Beijing Beating :confused:

sept 13
A famous Chinese general’s son who allegedly attacked a couple after a traffic dispute has become the target of widespread outrage in China.

Li Tianyi, the teenage son of Li Shuangjiang, a celebrity general who appears on Chinese television singing revolutionary songs, and a friend are accused of beating up a middle-aged couple in Beijing last week.

Mr Li and his friend, who was following in an Audi that appeared to have government licence plates, allegedly jumped out of their cars and attacked the couple as their child watched, while yelling at bystanders and daring them to call the police.

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/62854...#axzz1XqOrYQvI

The south gate security guard said that the two young drivers kept beating Mr. Peng while Yang was on the side begging them to stop. “At the time, the child in their car was crying particularly loud.”

Many residental community residents tesified that as the two drivers were beating [the husband], they were simultaneously attacking and shouting “Who dares to call 110!”

Witnesses say the two young drivers continued to beat the married couple for around 3 minutes, with blood dripping from the couple’s heads onto their faces.


http://img.chinasmack.com/wp-content...07-560x420.jpg

Better Stay away from cars with this license plate #

http://img.chinasmack.com/wp-content...es-560x353.jpg

Why are you posting this in this thread? This has nothing to do with foreigners and is only about some over-privileged army brat engaging in an entitlement-motivated road-rage incident.

anacapamalibu Sep 13, 2011 10:09 am


Originally Posted by PTravel (Post 17101478)
Why are you posting this in this thread? This has nothing to do with foreigners and is only about some over-privileged army brat engaging in an entitlement-motivated road-rage incident.

Its about a general trend of increased violence in China as a result of
their one child policy and an expotential increase in wealth that has
spawned a new generation of spoiled brats. Foreigners could be
victims of these out of control kids just as much as locals.

So if you see a young kid with plate # 000888, better stear clear.:)

PTravel Sep 13, 2011 10:16 am


Originally Posted by anacapamalibu (Post 17101574)
Its about a general trend of increased violence in China as a result of
their one child policy and an expotential increase in wealth that has
spawned a new generation of spoiled brats.

The result of the one child policy? No, the increase in violence in China (which is still less than in many American cities) is the result of dramatically increased unemployment because of the sharp downturn in the economy resulting from less export business, as well as the prior privitization of manufacturing.


Foreigners could be
victims of these out of control kids just as much as locals.
Nonsense. Don't walk around certain areas in Guangzhou, or poor suburbs of other cities, and that's true whether foreigner or Chinese. If the son of a Chinese general tried something like this with a foreigner, he'd find himself in jail forthwith and his father would be demoted or forced to resign.


So if you see a young kid with plate # 000888, better stear clear.:)
I'm not worried. A plate with lots of 8s on it is clearly someone with money. Were these black plates?

anacapamalibu Sep 13, 2011 11:04 am


Originally Posted by PTravel (Post 17101607)
The result of the one child policy? No, the increase in violence in China (which is still less than in many American cities) is the result of dramatically increased unemployment because of the sharp downturn in the economy resulting from less export business, as well as the prior privitization of manufacturing.

Nonsense. Don't walk around certain areas in Guangzhou, or poor suburbs of other cities, and that's true whether foreigner or Chinese. If the son of a Chinese general tried something like this with a foreigner, he'd find himself in jail forthwith and his father would be demoted or forced to resign.

I'm not worried. A plate with lots of 8s on it is clearly someone with money. Were these black plates?

]

Down turn in the economy?

China's real GDP is forecasted to grow 8.9 percent in 2011 and 7.8 percent in 2012.

Foreigners enjoyed privelege in the past, not so anymore.

Black plates were issued to foreigners prior to 2007.
The plates the kids had were fake and blue color.

PTravel Sep 13, 2011 11:40 am


Originally Posted by anacapamalibu (Post 17101940)
]

Down turn in the economy?

China's real GDP is forecasted to grow 8.9 percent in 2011 and 7.8 percent in 2012.

And the working class has not benefited (sound familiar)?


Foreigners enjoyed privelege in the past, not so anymore.
I'm not talking about privilege. I'm talking about violent crime directed towards a foreigner.


Black plates were issued to foreigners prior to 2007.
Black plates were, and are, issued to government and party officials.


The plates the kids had were fake and blue color.
Fake plates? Really?

anacapamalibu Sep 13, 2011 12:36 pm


Originally Posted by PTravel (Post 17102148)
Black plates were, and are, issued to government and party officials.

Black plates were introduced to keep an eye on foreigners.;)

Here's a history of the black plates, which stopped in 2007..

http://www.economist.com/node/10110997

PTravel Sep 13, 2011 12:55 pm


Originally Posted by anacapamalibu (Post 17102462)
Black plates were introduced to keep an eye on foreigners.;)

Here's a history of the black plates, which stopped in 2007..

http://www.economist.com/node/10110997

Interesting. I'll be sure to tell my friend who is quite high in the Party and has a government bodyguard/driver that he is really a foreigner as proven by his black plate.

Loren Pechtel Sep 13, 2011 8:23 pm


Originally Posted by PTravel (Post 17073661)
My wife is Chinese and I am not. We go to China all the time, to see friends and family, and also to travel around and see the country. Except for one single incident in Guangzhou ten or twelve years ago (someone, thinking my wife didn't understand Cantonese, wondered aloud how we wound up together), we have not experienced anything remotely like you've described -- no prejudice, no hostility and only, at most, some polite curiosity on rare occasions. I'm not saying I doubt your experience, I'm merely saying it is atypical and certainly nothing I've ever encountered in the 17 years I've been traveling around China (probably totaling more than a year of time "on the ground" there).

Yeah--the hostility we have run into has been here in the US (and not common), not in China. Curiosity, though, has been common.

Loren Pechtel Sep 13, 2011 8:25 pm


Originally Posted by PTravel (Post 17073673)
Don't forget the foot massage places! Ah, I love those foot massage places. There's one near where a friend of ours lives in Shenzhen that I've been to so often that they remember me. I love that place -- it's a little neighborhood place that everyone, men, women and children, go to. There are a couple of televisions playing local programs, tea is served (of course), and everything is completely above-board (unlike some of the "clubs").

Hmmmm . . . I think it's time to go back. :)

My wife hasn't been happy with any of the massages she's gotten in China.


The reason they are above-board is that in China it's the barbershops that are the disguised brothels, not the massage places.

Loren Pechtel Sep 13, 2011 8:31 pm


Originally Posted by anacapamalibu (Post 17090957)
That's what most outsiders think about the proliferation of foot massage places in San Gabriel Valley. Which is 100% incorrect.

If there isn't a pink light in the window, foreigner better keep mouth shut
or might get beat up for insulting staff.

Without even looking for codes like that there's a reasonable test anywhere in the world: Operating hours.

The places open way after everyone else has closed are almost always adult businesses. If they aren't obviously legitimately adult (say, bars & nightclubs) it's pretty clear what's going on.


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