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anacapamalibu Jul 29, 2011 10:45 am

Who hires the writers for this show?
Terrified..

cctvnewschannel

Tourists terrified to take trains after Wenzhou crash CCTV News

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDBowcNFCxA

moondog Jul 29, 2011 4:50 pm


Originally Posted by anacapamalibu (Post 16821908)
Who hires the writers for this show?
Terrified..

cctvnewschannel

Tourists terrified to take trains after Wenzhou crash CCTV News

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDBowcNFCxA

If alternatives exist, please try to use them instead of youtube, fb, twitter.

mosburger Jul 29, 2011 6:46 pm

Regarding the CCTV thesis, there was a somewhat similar situation in Korea before the IMF crisis of 1997. Frenzied construction boom, "no time" for proper planning or quality controls and then...You remember these accidents?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seongsu_Bridge


The Seongsu Bridge is a bridge over the Han River in Seoul, South Korea. The bridge links the Seongdong and Gangnam districts. The cantilever bridge was completed in 1979 and its total length is 1160 m. It became infamous when it collapsed on October 21, 1994.

In the accident 32 people died and 17 were injured.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampoon...Store_collapse


The Sampoong Department Store (삼풍백화점; 三豊百貨店) collapse was a structural failure that occurred on June 29, 1995 in the Seocho-gu district of Seoul, South Korea. The collapse is the largest peacetime disaster in South Korean history – 501 people died and 937 were injured.
But Korea and Koreans learned from these terrible incidents and nowadays are one of the most quality-conscious and-minded people in the World. I would say China has a good benchmarking opportunity at it's doorstep.

mnredfox Jul 30, 2011 2:40 am


Originally Posted by tauphi (Post 16821003)
Well it isn't just China, look at the history of safety in the airline industry.

No kidding, I still remember the fake licenses issue last year...

anacapamalibu Jul 30, 2011 9:01 am


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 16808223)
In closing, I agree that the MOR got caught with its pants down and sincerely regret the loss of life. That having been said, it's impossible to deny the fact that this new infrastructure is a game changer. My money and my mouth are in the same place.

Crisis Management 101
Up the payout

Bereaved relatives will receive 915,000 yuan ($142,000) -- 415,000 yuan more than the original amount on offer, the official Xinhua news agency said, as the death toll from the crash near the eastern city of Wenzhou rose to 40.

jiejie Jul 31, 2011 12:42 pm

Press Muzzling Begins...
 
Link

Not surprised, but disappointed that the gutless Chinese print media wonders didn't defy the new directives and roll the presses anyway. Lots of talk, but little action when the chips are down.

Scifience Jul 31, 2011 1:16 pm


Originally Posted by jiejie (Post 16832537)
Link

Not surprised, but disappointed that the gutless Chinese print media wonders didn't defy the new directives and roll the presses anyway. Lots of talk, but little action when the chips are down.

The Times is a bit slow to catch on to this; the below propaganda directive has been circulating on 微博 for at least the past 48 hours:


有关温州动车事故所有稿件,各网站立即压至后台,首页一条也不许留,新闻中心只保留一条最近动态,不得刊发 任何评论。论坛、博客、微博不得推荐相关话题,论坛类网站速将首页、频道守业删首页已推荐的相关贴文、博文 、微博撤下,不符合今天下午通知要求的贴文、博文、微博要坚决删除,各网站立刻落实本通知要求,半小时内执 行到位、半小时后复查落实情况。
And a rough translation:


All reports on the Wenzhou train accident are to be immediately removed from websites. None are to be placed on the home page itself, and in the news section, only one article is permitted, and no editorials are allowed. Encouraging discussion on forums, blogs, and microblogs is also forbidden. Discussion forums should remove all related promoted topics with immediate effect from home pages and subsections. All forum posts, blog posts, and microblog posts that do not comply with this order are to be dutifully deleted. All sites are to begin implementing this order immediately, and complete execution within 30 minutes. Inspection will begin in 30 minutes.
So much for Uncle Wen's "open and transparent investigation" ...

anacapamalibu Jul 31, 2011 1:50 pm

Leash the Lawyers
 
^

Law firms in the eastern city of Wenzhou, near where the train crash happened July 23, received an “urgent statement” in the names of the city’s Judicial Bureau and the Lawyers’ Association three days after the accident, Xinhua News Agency reported Saturday.

Lawyers should not handle cases without authorization, because “the accident is a major sensitive issue concerning social stability,” Xinhua said.

susiesan Jul 31, 2011 3:38 pm

excellent WSJ article
 
I hope you all in China can link to this article that was in the WSJ on Saturday. it took up 2 full pages:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...le_Lifestyle_5

Very insightful into the thinking of the Chinese people. Interesting discussion in the comments. Looks like a battle between two Chinese guys, one pro China one anti.

mosburger Jul 31, 2011 5:33 pm


Originally Posted by anacapamalibu (Post 16832818)
^

Law firms in the eastern city of Wenzhou, near where the train crash happened July 23, received an “urgent statement” in the names of the city’s Judicial Bureau and the Lawyers’ Association three days after the accident, Xinhua News Agency reported Saturday.

Lawyers should not handle cases without authorization, because “the accident is a major sensitive issue concerning social stability,” Xinhua said.

This decision was reversed after it was made public. And it's not necessary an order from Beijing, could be well local interference.

Generally, I think the party is monitoring public sentiment quite anxiously as it's in the process of handing over leading positions to the children of the current elite. So in order to protect the building of political family dynasties so common in Asia, no effort is spared to maintain official harmony.

Anyway, I hope that FT doesn't get too political outside of OMNIl so that members residing in China can also keep up with travel advice even without a VPN connection.

anacapamalibu Jul 31, 2011 6:17 pm


Originally Posted by mosburger (Post 16833866)
This decision was reversed after it was made public. .

That's very progressive. The Central Party reversed Wenzhou Judicial Bureau and Lawyer's Association notice and decision to refrain from pursuing personal injury cases relative to the rail incident.

tycosiao Aug 1, 2011 12:57 am

The way the chinese government handled the incident is scaring my balls off.

Still intending to take the bullet train to Nanjing this Friday, I have no other choice than taking the train.

mnredfox Aug 1, 2011 1:37 am


Originally Posted by tycosiao (Post 16835327)
The way the chinese government handled the incident is scaring my balls off.

Still intending to take the bullet train to Nanjing this Friday, I have no other choice than taking the train.

You're fine, the Chinese gov is good about not letting disasters of the same kind happen twice (at least in 1 year).

Taiwaned Aug 1, 2011 6:42 am

I am posting this while still on the Shanghai to Fuzhou D3101.

It left at 2:35 on time however it stopped outside of Wenzhou near Yueqing train station and hasn't moved for about a hour then it started to move very very slowly to YongJia train station.

At YongJia, it has stopped and the last announcement was, we will have to wait for a while. What should have been less than 5 hour ride is now almost 7 hours and still waiting.

It is obvious the train problems hasn't been properly fixed.

I should have taken the bus.

tycosiao Aug 1, 2011 7:37 am


Originally Posted by mnredfox (Post 16835434)
You're fine, the Chinese gov is good about not letting disasters of the same kind happen twice (at least in 1 year).

Hahaha. I never know and all I can do is pray.


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