Well I've hired a car (Simon) so this option is out.

What about just going to Jinshanling and trekking between east and west gates, since Simaitai is closed? Or will that section be about equivalent to doing an out-and-back hike starting and ending at Mutianyu?

Well you can go to Jinshanling but its not such a distance to walk there on the wall. I did it together with visiting Simatai in 2010, wasn't more than 3 hours at all for hiking. So only walk to Jinshanling west to east shouldnt be more than 1.5 hours. Wall looks older than Mutianyu but I'm not sure if its original, to long ago.

Look buster, nobody ever said you can't give advice. But two things will get you called out here:
1) Making sweeping statements that aren't completely true. Getting bent out shape about it when someone then points this out is uncool.
2) Taking my words and make inferences about my posts that aren't there. That will get you called out too.

Show me where I did that, please.

She advised the poster in question to walk towards Jiankou, which you somehow interpreted as a recommendation for a Jiankou-Mutianyu one way journey.

No I didn't moondog. This is what you made from my words. I understand from the beginning that she said he should start and return at Mutianyu. My advice was different, I recommend to do only a one way hike. I never wrote that she said they should do a one way trip, did I?

If you go back to post #96, you replied to jiejie's Mutianyu idea with something completely different without disclaiming such.

I replied that its better to go only in one direction and not return to the start point which was her idea. They have less time so it makes more sense to not walk the same part twice. I never wrote that this is her idea, its mine. So the only one who mixed up words somebody wrote are you moondog.

Nice try at backpedalling, but it doesn't hold water. I think moondog, myself, and plenty of others saw your misinterpretation. Tip: If you are going to act Hunnish and toss your weight around, and provoke arguments just for the heck of it, you may find quite a few cold shoulders on this forum, which is normally quite friendly.

Are you really so foolish? :rolleyes: I had a lot respect for you and moondog, both of you also helped me in the past. But now you really did a mistake, I never wrote what you think I wrote. Why should it be my intension to cover my advice as a advice from you? Just to proof that I did this hike last year, even I think I dont have to proof anything.

It's ok folks, can I refocus with another question:

Jiejie: about how far would it be to arrive at Mutianyu and hike to the unrestored portions of the wall, and then return--total trip?

Like I said, only her advice is allowed here :rolleyes: Have fun.

Sorry I was traveling for a bit and not on FT for a few days. Just ignore the above poster's comment which is patently ridiculous to anybody whose seen me around this forum for awhile.

From central Beijing, leaving before rush hour kicks in, allow 1.5 hours by private car/taxi each way for travel. Time up on Wall is to a great extent up to your fitness level, speed of walking, etc. But I would say for me (average ability or slightly below) probably 3-ish hours and others younger and fitter could do it in less. I think if you allot 6 hours for this venture it will be enough, particularly if you want to get some other activity/venue in during the last half of the afternoon. In other words, a hypothetical departure at 07:00 puts you at the Wall by 08:30 ahead of the bus crowds. Returning perhaps about 13:00-14:00. For about 95% of visitors to Beijing, they need/want to balance the Wall experience with everything else that Beijing has to offer, so time allocation is a concern.

Never wrote what you think i did. You just misinterpret my words and now you drag me in the mud. I dont understand why you treat me like someone very bad, just because i give somebody a different advice than you. So stop it, please.

I don't want to wade into this. And I'm not taking sides. My understanding is that jj advised a route, which seems to me, be based on OP's requirements and was basically an itin to and from the same place. You suggested a different route, advising that given it was a one-way itin, would prevent back-tracking and would therefore be more efficient.

One can't argue with your statement, it may well be more efficient, picturesque etc. However, if the OP doesn't want the hassle of telling a driver to drop me at X and pick me up at Y, those things don't come into play.

Noone is persecuting you. I found your advice valuable, and noted it, although I'm not a great wall walker, with a partially busted knee. The OP is also capable of taking note of your advice.

I think what is being objected to is that you seem to insist that your advice is superior -- it may be in a general sense, or indeed for your requirements -- but it doesn't appear to be tailored to the needs of the OP, which surely must come into play no?

tb