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trueblu Nov 7, 2013 4:47 am


Originally Posted by Rookie3 (Post 21738786)
Going with seniors and we just want to say we've been there and catch a view or two - not really hike much due to mobility issues. Where's the best place to go? The touristy part is just fine.

Staying at Doubletree Beijing and could travel by train or hire a car or some combination of the two (some of us are not not comfortable with a bus). We could do an early trip and stop by something in the afternoon (Summer Palace?) if it fits but that is not a requirement (and we'd need the chance to bail if health issues dictate that).

Thanks.

EIther Mutianyu or Badaling will be fine. My mother, in her 70s and with dodgy knees managed a few sections of Mutianyu and went up and down the cable car and was completely fine.

tb

Rookie3 Nov 7, 2013 8:33 am


Originally Posted by R&R (Post 21739835)
You can see it much better in the many pictures EVERYWHERE!
It is much easier viewing then being there!

Remember there is a LOT of 'marketing' involved in tourism to create a
desire, that might not be easily enjoyed. I did enjoy the stop at the 'gov silk factory(?)'! The silk comforter purchased is so great, that it might make up for the challenging climb! :D


I half jokingly accuse my friends who insisted I go to the Great Wall of trying to bury me at the Great Wall! The Mutaniyu(sp) tour has the Cable car for part of the way verses the Bandaling section tour. But there is a lot of very steep pathway with continuous vendors who put their fans, trinkets, etc right out into the pathway area and steps to get up to the cable car, which makes it even more difficult, since there are NO handrails to keep you upright after the knees & legs give out! More then a problem for a Senior.
My right knee is still being nursed after a month.

I know but seeing it in the pictures is just not the same (especially when a stated goal is hitting the 7 wonders of the world). Unfortunately because of mobility issues we need to keep it simpler than we could have when the seniors were younger. We were able to do most of a regular tour of Macchu Picchu recently (but that tested the limits) if that serves as a helpful comparison.

If you can provide information on the silk factory, that would be a nice addition to our trip. I'm sure everyone would enjoy a silk comforter (or at least I would).

If there are no handrails or places to stop at Mutaniyu then it sounds like that may be too much for them and we should check out Bandaling. Thanks.

jerseygirl Nov 7, 2013 9:02 am

I found Mutianyu section fine, the walk up to the cable car is not far and not steep and lined with people selling interesting items - not just T shirts like US tourist attractions. Cable car line wasn't long when we went but I remember railings, when the cable car top is reached, there are a few stairs and a plaza where you can sit on benches and see the wall and surroundings. That might be plenty for some of your elders. There were vendors selling drinks,beer and snacks on the plaza. Fun to look around at all the people. The tour stopped at a jade factory before, it was interresting, no need to buy we just looked and after the wall we stopped at a local outdoor restaurant. Very much enjoyed the tour as the guide described some history and the others on the tour were fun to be with.
I did climb some of the wall, although 'climbing' seems not the right word - maybe walking up a sloped path and stairs. You can go as far as you are comfortable. I'm 71 and in good health. Enjoy walking most days but do have problems with steep slopes
My daughter went quite far but she is a skiier, mountain biker and runner.

I was very happy to experience and see the wall and beautiful scenery

trueblu Nov 8, 2013 5:59 am


Originally Posted by Rookie3 (Post 21744067)
I know but seeing it in the pictures is just not the same (especially when a stated goal is hitting the 7 wonders of the world). Unfortunately because of mobility issues we need to keep it simpler than we could have when the seniors were younger. We were able to do most of a regular tour of Macchu Picchu recently (but that tested the limits) if that serves as a helpful comparison.

If you can provide information on the silk factory, that would be a nice addition to our trip. I'm sure everyone would enjoy a silk comforter (or at least I would).

If there are no handrails or places to stop at Mutaniyu then it sounds like that may be too much for them and we should check out Bandaling. Thanks.

Only one of the 7 wonders of the ancient world is still standing (the Giza pyramids), and the Romans didn't know much about the GW, and it wasn't so great (in terms of masonry) then anyway..so hitting 'one' would complete the list. I do think either Badaling or Mutianyu would be fine in terms of a brief wander after the cable car.

tb

doublewide Feb 5, 2014 10:02 pm


Originally Posted by sniles (Post 13278316)
If you are in good shape and have a full day (and driver to pick you up at the other end) i would opt for Simatai. Its a great hike. Its a little further away from Beijing than the others but well worth it.

If you prefer to go with an organized day tour, i'd go for Mutianyu. IMO more beautiful than Badaling and Juyongguan. Unfortunately these tours stop at tourist traps like jade and cloisonier shops.

If you can, try to meet other travelers and rent a car with driver / taxi together to go out there. That way you won't be stuck to any fixed schedule.

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moondog Feb 6, 2014 12:40 am


Originally Posted by doublewide (Post 22295717)
Simatai is the most well-known and the most accessible Wild Wall in Beijing.

I disagree with the "accessible" part; Huanghua and dozens of lesser known sections are closer to the city.

JDiver Feb 10, 2014 8:36 pm

Good advice, IMO, doublewide; it may not be the absolute closest to Beijing, but it is perhaps, with the hike between Simatai and Jinshanling (10 miles / 16 km, some very unrestored areas and tricky steps, plenty of elevation changes) part the best.

We visited the Jinshanling section and walked - a perfect day, clean clear air (that alone made it worthwhile!), truly beautiful wild views, not so many visitors (nor mobs of salespeople, just a few - and some who are there to earn a tip by pulling / pushing some up on the wall sections). We had plenty of "alone" time with occasional smaller groups or hikers moving by, natural sounds like the sighing of the wind and call of ring-necked pheasants. This was what we imagined the Wall to be - and it fulfilled every expectation. I highly recommend it (in comparison to the hustle and bustle of Badaling, including sacrificial goats fed to lions, etc. any time!)

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doublewide Feb 19, 2014 3:07 am


Originally Posted by JDiver (Post 22325626)
Good advice, IMO, doublewide; it may not be the absolute closest to Beijing, but it is perhaps, with the hike between Simatai and Jinshanling (10 miles / 16 km, some very unrestored areas and tricky steps, plenty of elevation changes) part the best.

We visited the Jinshanling section and walked - a perfect day, clean clear air (that alone made it worthwhile!), truly beautiful wild views, not so many visitors (nor mobs of salespeople, just a few - and some who are there to earn a tip by pulling / pushing some up on the wall sections). We had plenty of "alone" time with occasional smaller groups or hikers moving by, natural sounds like the sighing of the wind and call of ring-necked pheasants. This was what we imagined the Wall to be - and it fulfilled every expectation. I highly recommend it (in comparison to the hustle and bustle of Badaling, including sacrificial goats fed to lions, etc. any time!)

BTW, your posts were sent to the moderation queue, as they were newish posts with links included, as part of Flyertalk's spam control protocols. This means the posts are sent to a queue, moderators alerted, and we try to get to these as quickly as possible - but, we're volunteers with jobs, travel, family, etc. so it might take a few minutes. Sorry for any inconvenience!

Thanks JDiver for letting me know how posts work. Jinshanling remains wild, ruined, preserved, original and is a bit more inaccessible and definitely less touristy than Badaling. I agree with you that hiking on Jinshanling would have a lots of fun.

This could be a good news:Graffiti wall is available near Tower 14 at Mutianyu to allow tourists to write graffiti on it. You can graffiti the Great Wall of China without getting in trouble for it! http://www.wildgreatwall.com/mutianyu-toboggan-ride/

acf1270 May 10, 2014 6:55 pm

Hi,

I understand that all sections of the great wall require a bit of walking and climbing, but could someone tell me which of the two, Mutianyu or Badaling, is the least challenging physically for a short visit? Basically which of the two requires the least amount of walking overall (to and from cable cars, etc..)

Thanks

moondog May 10, 2014 7:11 pm


Originally Posted by acf1270 (Post 22844333)
Hi,

I understand that all sections of the great wall require a bit of walking and climbing, but could someone tell me which of the two, Mutianyu or Badaling, is the least challenging physically for a short visit? Basically which of the two requires the least amount of walking overall (to and from cable cars, etc..)

Thanks

Between those two choices badaling is easier, but you must work a plan that avoids the crowds. That having been said I'm pretty sure you can do better than both wrt the requirement at hand. Along these lines I suggest that you join the "hiking around Beijing" group on Beijingstuff and ask the guy posts all the time for advice.

acf1270 May 10, 2014 8:55 pm


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 22844364)
Between those two choices badaling is easier, but you must work a plan that avoids the crowds. That having been said I'm pretty sure you can do better than both wrt the requirement at hand. Along these lines I suggest that you join the "hiking around Beijing" group on Beijingstuff and ask the guy posts all the time for advice.


Thanks. I am traveling with someone that is not in the best of shape and she is concerned with the amount of walking involved (especially uphill). I know that mutianyu is less crowded and touristy than badaling, but we can deal with the crowds if badaling is the easier of the two physically. Is there that much of a difference physically between the two?

31570324 May 11, 2014 2:26 am

I never visit Badaling, but Mutianyu three times. There is a cable car which brings you all the way up (I guess price was 80RMB return). You still have to take about 30 steps to get on the wall itself from the top of the cable car. And then the wall if not flat, you can walk for a couple of minutes withing going up a lot, but you can't see a lot.
In Badaling you have people who can carry you on the wall, so if the person is disabled I would go to Badaling.

NYCRachel Dec 1, 2015 11:38 am


Originally Posted by JDiver (Post 22325626)
Good advice, IMO, doublewide; it may not be the absolute closest to Beijing, but it is perhaps, with the hike between Simatai and Jinshanling (10 miles / 16 km, some very unrestored areas and tricky steps, plenty of elevation changes) part the best.

We visited the Jinshanling section and walked - a perfect day, clean clear air (that alone made it worthwhile!), truly beautiful wild views, not so many visitors (nor mobs of salespeople, just a few - and some who are there to earn a tip by pulling / pushing some up on the wall sections). We had plenty of "alone" time with occasional smaller groups or hikers moving by, natural sounds like the sighing of the wind and call of ring-necked pheasants. This was what we imagined the Wall to be - and it fulfilled every expectation. I highly recommend it (in comparison to the hustle and bustle of Badaling, including sacrificial goats fed to lions, etc. any time!)

BTW, your posts were sent to the moderation queue, as they were newish posts with links included, as part of Flyertalk's spam control protocols. This means the posts are sent to a queue, moderators alerted, and we try to get to these as quickly as possible - but, we're volunteers with jobs, travel, family, etc. so it might take a few minutes. Sorry for any inconvenience!

What time of the year did you do this? I will be there around Christmas and heard Beijing will most likely be super cold during this time of the year. I'm always up for a hike, but I don't want to be completely miserable cursing myself, going this far outside the city.

RhodyRed Dec 3, 2015 5:42 am

My 72-year-old father-in-law who walks with a cane was able to catch the ski-lift up at Mutianyu and the Ski-lift down without any problem last month. He only walked up to the to Wall itself and did one flight of stairs on the Wall before deciding to sit and wait. There are some gentle slopes and stairs but there were plenty of handrails available. Our group split into two sets of people - some did the ski-lift up and back, while others did the ski-lift up and the alpine slide down - which was a hoot. If you have young people, or young at heart people, in your group take the slide down while letting the less mobile take the ski-lift.

Hoyaheel Dec 4, 2015 9:51 am


Originally Posted by NYCRachel (Post 25796662)
What time of the year did you do this? I will be there around Christmas and heard Beijing will most likely be super cold during this time of the year. I'm always up for a hike, but I don't want to be completely miserable cursing myself, going this far outside the city.

Heading to Beijing with a co-worker next week and we've decided at the last minute we want to see the Great Wall. Booked another day with the driver & guide we've already booked and are trying to decide between
Huanghuacheng and Mutianyu. From reading I've done elsewhere I'm leaning toward Mutianyu but would be open to anyone's thoughts?

(both of us in good shape, not planning on hiking between sections, realize it will be cold etc)


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