Originally Posted by tfar (Post 12272439)

I just watched the videos very carefully and several times. I encourage everybody to do the same. I suppose what they use is the standard technique they are taught to do this procedure.

If this is the case the procedure is discriminatory. You can clearly see that the male gets direct hand contact (through the clothes of course) with his scrotum and possibly glans (depending on how you wear). The female on the other hand does not get direct contact with the labia or the clitoris. That is not fair.

We know exactly why they do that. Because the law suits would stop this right away. I hope somebody from ACLU is listening and has noticed that. It is unacceptable that a woman's genitalia be more protected from security groping than a man's; especially in light of the tampon paradox.

Till

Originally Posted by polonius (Post 12514674)

Especially if your entire reason for flying is hoping that Ron will stimulate your clitoris.

Originally Posted by polonius (Post 12514674)

Especially if your entire reason for flying is hoping that Ron will stimulate your clitoris.

Originally Posted by polonius (Post 12514674)

Especially if your entire reason for flying is hoping that Ron will stimulate your clitoris.

Originally Posted by OverThereTooMuch (Post 12516989)

Based off the turn this thread took, and the titles of a lot of other threads in this forum, I think there are some folks here that really need to get laid.

Originally Posted by tfar (Post 12272416)

Here you can see a video of the so called enhanced pat down:
http://www.tsa.gov/press/happenings/...d_patdown.shtm

It explains that it will be used only if other detection methods fail to resolve the alarm and that the passenger will be given the opportunity to take off things that might have triggered the alarm. (Leave the Prince Alberts out when flying).

This is a very important thing to know. As we all know the TSA they will abuse those who don't know that the enhanced pat down is ONLY to be used if other methods fail. So if you refuse the scanner, they have to give you the normal detector first....

Originally Posted by Trollkiller (Post 12518564)

(3 apostrophes in a 4 word sentence. I ROCK!!)

Originally Posted by mikeef (Post 12523742)

Slow weekend, huh? ;)

Mike

Originally Posted by l'etoile (Post 12519715)

I would really like your interpretation of this to be correct, but I read it differently. The page says:
"The enhanced pat-down will be used only after all other screening methods have been used and the alarm remains unresolved. "

If you refuse a strip-search machine, all other screening methods have not been used. I'm guessing this is their out here and it does not matter if there's an alarm or not. I would really like it to be otherwise.

Originally Posted by l'etoile (Post 12519715)

I would really like your interpretation of this to be correct, but I read it differently. The page says:
"The enhanced pat-down will be used only after all other screening methods have been used and the alarm remains unresolved. "

If you refuse a strip-search machine, all other screening methods have not been used. I'm guessing this is their out here and it does not matter if there's an alarm or not. I would really like it to be otherwise.

Originally Posted by SNA_Flyer (Post 12285882)

Bingo. They can cause a false alarm that way, and then subject you to an invasive patdown.

Originally Posted by tsadude1 (Post 12528515)

OMG,this has to be the most ignorant thing that I have read here. Are you guys kidding me? Its a metal detector. They wave it over a watch to ensure that it beeps.

Originally Posted by tfar (Post 12272416)

Here you can see a video of the so called enhanced pat down:
http://www.tsa.gov/press/happenings/...d_patdown.shtm

It explains that it will be used only if other detection methods fail to resolve the alarm and that the passenger will be given the opportunity to take off things that might have triggered the alarm. (Leave the Prince Alberts out when flying).

This is a very important thing to know. As we all know the TSA they will abuse those who don't know that the enhanced pat down is ONLY to be used if other methods fail. So if you refuse the scanner, they have to give you the normal detector first. If the scanner alarms you can empty your pockets or whatever. If it still alarms you get the wand. If the wand still alarms you can check where it alarmed and search there for that forgotten coin. If it still alarms you get the NORMAL pat down. If they still don't find anything you get the sexual harassment also called "enhanced pat down".

This is not explained in such detail on their website. But it is the logical consequence of the sentence:
"Prior to conducting this pat-down, all other means of detection will be exhausted, including the walk through metal detector, interaction with behavior detection officers, hand-held metal detector and other less invasive pat-down searches."

I know I will print that page out and present it to them. I will make it clear to them that their hands stay off my groin unless there is an alarm that cannot be resolved with other detection methods.

Till

P.S.: If you have a mac and cannot play the video because it is a WMV file only (law suit?), download Flip4mac. That should do the trick.

Originally Posted by tsadude1 (Post 12528515)

OMG,this has to be the most ignorant thing that I have read here. Are you guys kidding me? Its a metal detector. They wave it over a watch to ensure that it beeps.