Originally Posted by CWalters
(Post 10512382)
Yes they will and it is done by the darn airline and yes while TSA has one foot in that issue there are specifications that the airline has in place that TSA has no part of and it is not based on a percentage of those flying out that day. It is not all of TSA's doing. :mad::mad:
The TSA forces the airlines to select people for haraSSSSment. That's not one foot, that's 'the whole nine yards'. :td: If the TSA were destroyed and replaced with private security contractors without unnecessary government interference, haraSSSSment would be eliminated.
Originally Posted by CWalters
(Post 10512382)
Airlines don't want to harass people!? lol um I think it is $2 for a pillow on most airlines now and $1 for water, frikin water.
Originally Posted by CWalters
(Post 10512382)
BTW, really mature with the ssss's glad to know that key works.
Originally Posted by CWalters
(Post 10512382)
Oh and when was the last time you called 911 because some jerk cut you off on the freeway? Or yelled at a confused person for taking too long? Or got impatient at the incompetence of the store clerk and let them know? That my good sir is un-american harassment that has no cause! TSA has a cause and it still stands because the threat is still there! I am not saying that we have not caused our own enemies, I am not saying that people are treated with the respect the deserve at all times, I am saying that the threat is there and while SSSS is annoying it can be removed easily, most of the time, it is necessary. It is a rule just like speeding, robbing, or carrying a concealed weapon.
TSA has a cause: Workfare. |
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Originally Posted by Scubatooth
(Post 10512453)
ok wow left field is starting to fill up.
CW before you really step in a big pile do some searching on the site for what your spouting as fact as many of these issues have been gone over ad neaseum by the way a majority of the public (probably >90%) will never ever be able to get ahold of anything military grade as those are highly restrictied. Then explain me this since you are appearently a fan of TSA. why should a agency be kept around when they cant accomplish there original mission (fail rates on red team test >50%) but yet keeps on creeping its mission and violates passengers consitutional rights on a regular basis, with stupid rules with no basis in reality that isnt backed by physics or chemistry BTW even if TSA had been inplace prior to 9/11 they still would not have been able to prevent it. TSA itself does not matter to me but screening in general makes me feel more safe. I am a fan of proactiveness(is that a word? you get the idea). If it wasn't TSA it would be someone else and they would be equally hated. I have to admit that while with my research into explosives some are quite scary and do show up in a variety of ways and yes taking away souviner snow globes because they have water is a bit much, but you try doing the job then hate them. Alot of people are confused about alot of the policies and I have to wonder if the TSO's are getting the same mixed messages and are just as confused, which is a whole other topic. I worked for a private contractor screening before TSA was thrown together and people in general are simply mean and the job has got to suck now as it did then, but it is a job and they go home at the end of the day just as miserable as everyone else who hates their job. |
SSSS
Originally Posted by gj83
(Post 10512482)
That has NEVER worked for me. If I get a last minute reroute onto Delta I always get the SSSS. I politely ask to have it removed and they say they cannot do that. Usually if I'm already through Security I ask if they'll enforce it and they usually say no, but pre security no dice.
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Originally Posted by CWalters
(Post 10512515)
TSA itself does not matter to me but screening in general makes me feel more safe. I am a fan of proactiveness(is that a word? you get the idea). If it wasn't TSA it would be someone else and they would be equally hated.
Originally Posted by CWalters
(Post 10512515)
I have to admit that while with my research into explosives some are quite scary and do show up in a variety of ways and yes taking away souviner snow globes because they have water is a bit much, but you try doing the job then hate them.
Originally Posted by CWalters
(Post 10512515)
Alot of people are confused about alot of the policies and I have to wonder if the TSO's are getting the same mixed messages and are just as confused, which is a whole other topic.
Originally Posted by CWalters
(Post 10512515)
I worked for a private contractor screening before TSA was thrown together and people in general are simply mean and the job has got to suck now as it did then, but it is a job and they go home at the end of the day just as miserable as everyone else who hates their job.
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badges
Originally Posted by LessO2
(Post 10512403)
Similar to your caps lock button problem earlier?
Look, if it was possible to bring the volatile liquid explosives airside, the TSA wouldn't have used a mechanical arm in their video demonstration. About the badge numbers: at the time of the writing, there were numbers on their nameplates, a.k.a. badges. Hence the term "badge number." Welcome to FlyerTalk. |
Originally Posted by CWalters
(Post 10512535)
Really?:confused: Maybe I just get lucky because every time I have asked it was done, then again I do not fly very much and I do not fly Delta if at all possible because I do not like their planes...well the planes I have been on I did not like.
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Originally Posted by CWalters
(Post 10512515)
TSA itself does not matter to me but screening in general makes me feel more safe.
Because, with them, it's all about FEELING safe, not actual security. Want proof? Read this. Then read this. Then this. If those articles don't prove a consistent failure by the TSA to keep us safe, then read this article, where even the GAO says we are no safer with the TSA. |
Originally Posted by CWalters
(Post 10512561)
I know that there were numbers on the badge but the numbers are for TSA uniform ordering and another company takes care of that, if you called TSA they would have no idea who's badge that was simply by the number ont he nameplate.
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ok...are you done attacking me now?
Originally Posted by Spiff
(Post 10512550)
If you want to feel safe, I suggest Xanax, Valium, or cannabis. If you want to actually be safe, completely destroying TSA and using private contractors without government interference will eliminate the need to use feel-safe drugs.
No thanks, I like being naive. :) Feel free to share with the class. I've done my research and found no evidence of any credible explosive that can be created airside from stable precursors that are not detectable by ETP/ETD. What have you found? Military grade stuff, I do not know the name off hand. However this was dismissed earlier because it is hard to obtain, hard not impossible and yeah an ETD would detect it if it were inspected. Big if. The policies are not confusing. They're stupid. Big difference. Can't think of an argument, but I do not agree. TSA employees should hate their job and understand why the traveling public hates their agency. TSA "leadership" is anything but and the policies are stupid and un-American. I certainly understand the contempt and hatred many people have for the TSA: the TSA brought it on themselves. So you wish that every TSO to hate their job and you wish them upon them because they are working to feed their family or because they are working to pay bills to keep their home or maybe because they are working to get their foot into a better government job? That is hateful good sir |
badges....again
Originally Posted by LessO2
(Post 10512591)
Okay, then what were the numbers on the nameplate for, then?
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wha???
Originally Posted by Spiff
(Post 10512564)
Do you also wave a SIDA badge or similar when asking that haraSSSSment be removed?
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Originally Posted by CWalters
(Post 10512515)
TSA itself does not matter to me but screening in general makes me feel more safe. I am a fan of proactiveness(is that a word? you get the idea). If it wasn't TSA it would be someone else and they would be equally hated.
I have to admit that while with my research into explosives some are quite scary and do show up in a variety of ways and yes taking away souviner snow globes because they have water is a bit much, but you try doing the job then hate them. Alot of people are confused about alot of the policies and I have to wonder if the TSO's are getting the same mixed messages and are just as confused, which is a whole other topic. I worked for a private contractor screening before TSA was thrown together and people in general are simply mean and the job has got to suck now as it did then, but it is a job and they go home at the end of the day just as miserable as everyone else who hates their job. yes some explosives are scary, but most people cant get them at all. the explosives that TSA say are so dangerous, are unstable to the point that they would go off before ever getting to the airport. FYI the london plot is not viable, even the evidence in the trial says that as they had to use a robotic arm to mix teh stuff because the volatility was so bad and was a hazard to a EOD specialist. Then there is the strict temperature requirements(a lot of ice ie more then the plane carries) to mix the items together and then the time needed (many hours), which will be given away by the smell of the chemicals. I have a extensive working background in chemistry and physics due to the nature of my job. If you want to see something really shocking and potentially life threatening come on down because i will rock your world. heck i dont even need 3oz do the job either i can get it done in about a ounce and half (50cc). if you hate your job find another one, because what you do is un-american and in my eye treason. |
Originally Posted by CWalters
(Post 10512610)
um...the answer was there...for the uniform ordering company. I am not going to argue this because I do not know for sure but I was told that by a TSA employee.
You're saying, with a straight face, that the number on the nameplate, next to the name of the TSAer, was on public display for nothing more than ordering uniforms? |
No one's attacking you.
Originally Posted by CWalters
(Post 10512604)
No thanks, I like being naive.
Originally Posted by CWalters
(Post 10512604)
Military grade stuff, I do not know the name off hand. However this was dismissed earlier because it is hard to obtain, hard not impossible and yeah an ETD would detect it if it were inspected. Big if.
Originally Posted by CWalters
(Post 10512604)
Can't think of an argument, but I do not agree.
Originally Posted by CWalters
(Post 10512604)
So you wish that every TSO to hate their job and you wish them upon them because they are working to feed their family or because they are working to pay bills to keep their home or maybe because they are working to get their foot into a better government job? That is hateful good sir
Is the TSA the only job available to these people? I think not. un-American Workfare is not a good reason for a TSA employee being told "Oh, that's ok. You can have my liberty. I wasn't using it anyway." TSA employees should understand that with every ID they check, every bottle of water they confiscate, every shoe they x-ray, and every boarding pass they examine that they are destroying part of the United States. So, yes, TSA employees should hate their jobs or better yet leave them. |
Originally Posted by Mats
(Post 8060335)
#3 Shoes. Nobody has ever been hurt or injured by a shoe-related weapon in an airport or airplane. It wastes time and it prolongs the screening process. It's a stupid rule, time to axe it.
I sometimes think that TSA employees should have to take a mandatory trip to Ben Gurion Airport in Tel Aviv. They can see how polite, friendly, organized, and quick it is to clear security in perhaps the strictest airport in the world... I'm not talking about the profiling stuff; just their attitude. http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...-24331,00.html According to this, you do need to take off shoes at Ben Gurion until this device was used. The article says the Ben Gurion shoe detector does not detect the presence of exlosives. I got the extra treatment in a private room at TLV because of my frequent flyer award. They did not understand the concept. Everything was fine until they asked why I only stayed 3 days. They immediately became suspicious upon the mention of ff award and directed me to the line to partially remove my pants. Funny, they didn't look inside my shoe. |
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