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PatrickHenry1775 Apr 24, 2007 10:29 pm


Originally Posted by holland (Post 7635891)
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Germs? Bah.

Three words: flesh eating bacteria.

etch5895 Apr 25, 2007 4:23 am


Originally Posted by Bart (Post 7625452)
Passengers who come through the WTMD with their boarding passes clenched in their mouths. Then they hand it to me. While that's disgusting enough, they then place it back in their mouths after I hand it back to them!

I'm one of these folks, but out of neccessity only. And I don't chew on the card, just bit a tiny bit near the top center, and then make sure I hand it to the screener in a way to avoid giving them the 'bitten' section.

Why do I do this? Because at the checkpoint, I am usually trying to remove
1) my shoes
2) my laptop
3) my plastic baggie
4) cell phone

all at the same time, and meanwhile the TSA rep is asking me for my boarding pass (that just got checked 5 feet back). I try to do all of this as quickly as possible, so as not to slow up fellow travelers. Last week, one of the TSA folks at FAY asked me for my b/pass while I was clearing in the middle of the above process, and when I didn't give it to her immediately (I was rooting through my bag pulling out my liquid bag), she asked me if my b/pass was in my bag. Have some patience, I've only got two arms!

holland Apr 25, 2007 5:24 am


Originally Posted by PatrickHenry1775 (Post 7636378)
Three words: flesh eating bacteria.

Statistically improbably you'll pick it up in the security line at the airport. There are much dirtier places in the world to worry about.

CME Flyer Apr 25, 2007 7:33 am

What about the screeners that aren't aware that you are allowed to wear disposable footwear. TPA airport provides paper slippers, which I grab several of to use on future flights out of airports that don't supply same. I had to argue with a supervisor at EWR to let me wear them through. He said NO FOOTWARE, disposable or otherwise was allowed. When I tried to explain they were from another airport, his response was, "well it is not allowed here." I asked him to please recheck the TSA rules, and after making me wait for 10 minutes, said it was OK for me to go through. I just had a similar incident this morning at Las Vegas. They told me "slippers" are not allowed. When I said they were paper and TSA approved, I was finally allowed to pass.

Even TSA agents have no idea of the rules

Bart Apr 25, 2007 7:44 am


Originally Posted by CME Flyer (Post 7637617)
What about the screeners that aren't aware that you are allowed to wear disposable footwear. TPA airport provides paper slippers, which I grab several of to use on future flights out of airports that don't supply same. I had to argue with a supervisor at EWR to let me wear them through. He said NO FOOTWARE, disposable or otherwise was allowed. When I tried to explain they were from another airport, his response was, "well it is not allowed here." I asked him to please recheck the TSA rules, and after making me wait for 10 minutes, said it was OK for me to go through. I just had a similar incident this morning at Las Vegas. They told me "slippers" are not allowed. When I said they were paper and TSA approved, I was finally allowed to pass.

Even TSA agents have no idea of the rules

Believe it or not, the SOP does have a provision about disposable footwear. They are permitted. However, there's a catch, and I don't understand the logic behind it: after you've worn your disposable booties and passed through the WTMD, you are supposed to turn them over to us so we can dispose of them. It's not that we offer to dispose of them for you; we are supposed to get them from you and dispose of them. For the most part, I believe a great majority of passengers wouldn't mind discarding these disposable booties and letting us dispose of them. However, I imagine that there are a few who would want to keep them, especially if they anticipate having to go through security again later in the day or even at that particular airport (e.g. smokers at smoke-free airports). I'm thinking that there has to be some sort of misunderstanding of the TSA directive. Perhaps the intent is that we cannot refuse to dispose of these paper booties when requested.

I've told my officers to make the offer, and if the passenger refuses, then don't make a big deal out of it.

LessO2 Apr 25, 2007 8:58 am


Originally Posted by etch5895 (Post 7637112)
all at the same time, and meanwhile the TSA rep is asking me for my boarding pass (that just got checked 5 feet back). I try to do all of this as quickly as possible, so as not to slow up fellow travelers. Last week, one of the TSA folks at FAY asked me for my b/pass while I was clearing in the middle of the above process, and when I didn't give it to her immediately (I was rooting through my bag pulling out my liquid bag), she asked me if my b/pass was in my bag. Have some patience, I've only got two arms!


I don't put the BP in my mouth, I always put it in my briefcase.

But I have had plenty of instances when TSAers get rude with me when I don't do things on their internal clock. When I ask them if I can actually have some time to do the procedures, most are nice and just cite "routine." A few (and that's what it really is) get snippy, and that's when I just smile and get their name and badge number (amazing what kind of awkward motions happen when you do that, BTW), and report them.

holland Apr 25, 2007 9:04 am


Originally Posted by LessO2 (Post 7638132)
...A few (and that's what it really is) get snippy, and that's when I just smile and get their name and badge number (amazing what kind of awkward motions happen when you do that, BTW), and report them.

As in they back-pedal and apologize, or as in you get the SSSS treatment? I've always treated them the same way I treat Customs officials... I don't need the hassle of being detained and missing my flight over some stupid hoop they're making me jump through.

rmc1 Apr 25, 2007 1:23 pm


Originally Posted by Bart (Post 7625452)
Here's what I see at my job:

Passengers who come through the WTMD with their boarding passes clenched in their mouths. Then they hand it to me. While that's disgusting enough, they then place it back in their mouths after I hand it back to them!

Passengers with minor cuts or are otherwise bleeding who refuse medical attention. They may have used their own handkerchief to stop the bleeding or maybe even used some of our paper towels, but I don't know where they've discarded these items.

Passengers who place a foot on a chair to tie on a shoe in the screening area (or in any area for that matter). It should be pretty obvious that someone is going to sit in that chair, but it doesn't seem to matter to the people who do this.

And I've already covered the loose, uncovered toothbrushes inside of toiletry bags (with soap bars, colognes, shaving creams, etc.); cosmetics bags with the interior linings discolored or powdery; food wrapped in napkins placed inside of carry-on bags; etc.

The point to all this is that dirty bins are the least, or should be the least, of all worries. While theoretically possible to catch a disease or the transfer of bacteria from a dirty bin, washing hands is a simple and effective means of prevention. Putting the blame on TSA or suggesting that TSA provide booties is a lazy denial of individual responsibility. (Are there any guarantees that the table you dine at in a restaurant is truly clean? Where do you place your silverware once you begin to eat? I submit that you are more likely to catch a disease as the result of eating at a restaurant than handling a bin at the airport.)

The problem is that outside the US, these are never a problem as you do not have to remove your shoes and show your boarding pass immediately after exiting the metal detector. This goes back to one of the original issues: Why do we have to do this in the US?

I can understand your points about taking extra socks, etc., but isn't that like relieving symptoms of the problem without addressing the problem itself?

Bart Apr 25, 2007 8:04 pm


Originally Posted by rmc1 (Post 7639622)
I can understand your points about taking extra socks, etc., but isn't that like relieving symptoms of the problem without addressing the problem itself?

Why not be both? Cope with the problem until it is fully addressed/resolved? If the heater isn't working in my house, I'm going to wear warm clothes until I get the heater fixed. Taking extra precautions such as having an extra pair of socks doesn't mean the individual is giving up on advocating change.

doctall41 Apr 25, 2007 9:43 pm


Originally Posted by AINITFUNNY (Post 7586448)
[B]Most EVERY purse deposited in the bins puts whatever it collected from the floor around the toilet at the gas station or airport.

so, according to your logic, the purse picks up germs from the bathroom, (doesn't leave anything in the bathroom), and deposits the germs into the bin, (not pickingup any germs from the bin).
The purse knows when to pick up and when to let go of the germs?

IceTrojan Apr 28, 2007 1:49 am

LAX seems to have gotten a fresh supply of bins. :p


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