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HeHateY Dec 2, 2006 1:10 am

Registered Traveler Program Is Fake Security
 
Yes, in short, Registered Traveler is a program that lets people pay an annual fee of $100 to cut to the front of the line. As for the background check? It's purely theater to make the public think the program is something other than a way for the well-off to avoid the hassles of post 9/11 airline travel. The TSA promises that the program won't slow down regular travelers, but that's plainly absurd. If it speeds up those willing to pay $100, it's going to slow down those unwilling or unable to do so, since there are currently no plans to add special screening lanes for Registered Travelers.

Yup, we're all in this together, except that some of us are more all in this together than others.

UPDATE:

Cindy Rosenthal, the vice president of communication for Verified Identity Pass, contacted me to correct and contest some of my points (I had left a message for her yesterday).

VIP does make lines faster for everyone for several reasons (based on a trial in Orlando and new equipment):

* The designated lanes include longer tables for separating a traveler's things into plastic containers and there is a conceierge to help with that process
* The Registered Traveler kiosks, specially made by GE (now an investor in VIP), also scan shoes so that travellers don't have to take their shoes off when they go through the metal detector (unless they have a significant amount of metal, such as with steel-toed boots or spike heels)

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/200...ered_trav.html

Xyzzy Dec 2, 2006 5:43 am

A "concierge" ???? ROTFL!!!

If these folks can have a "shoe removal not needed WTMD" then why can't everyone else? What's a few hundred million $ in additional spending when you waste billions annually?

muddy Dec 2, 2006 5:52 am

Sounds like a vig to me

What a load of crap.

OrlandoFlyer Dec 2, 2006 5:59 am

It's all about making money using the Security Theater, and nothing to do with security.

muddy Dec 2, 2006 6:03 am


Originally Posted by OrlandoFlyer (Post 6781446)
It's all about making money using the Security Theater, and nothing to do with security.

agreed ... I'd eat a frozen turd on a popsicle stick before I'd give these people a dime.

Ken in Phx Dec 2, 2006 6:04 am


Originally Posted by muddy (Post 6781451)
agreed ... I'd eat a frozen turd on a popsicle stick before I'd give these people a dime.

I'd pay $100 to see that!

Ken in Phx

muddy Dec 2, 2006 6:07 am


Originally Posted by Ken in Phx (Post 6781454)
I'd pay $100 to see that!

Ken in Phx

Thanks for your interest in our value added travelers services ... have your credit card info ready and simply logon to www.seemuddyeatafrozenturd.com and ....

LOL

mkt Dec 2, 2006 6:13 am

Till there's some sort of OneWorld Elite line at MCO, I'll happily expense the $100

KMHT FF Dec 2, 2006 7:09 am

Whatever was wrong with INSPass biometric that it was both canned and no rolled out wider?

Spiff Dec 2, 2006 7:51 am

Extorted Traveler can go pound sand. :td:

LessO2 Dec 2, 2006 8:55 am


Originally Posted by mkt (Post 6781468)
Till there's some sort of OneWorld Elite line at MCO, I'll happily expense the $100

The $100 might not be the issue with many people. Surrendering your biometrics and your personal info...all to cut in front of the line? Please.

Think how "fast" it was for the puffer deployment. That's probably how fast those GE machines will be rolled out.

And this has the HUGE potential to backfire. They're going to have a SINGLE lane for this?

They're still going to check your ID and BP for the airline's revenue protection. No time saver there.

I do think a lot of business travelers are going to do this. Thus, that single line is going to be long in itself. Are they going to open up more of those lines, and reduce capacity for Ma and Pa Kettle? That has the potential of being another PR nightmare for the TSA. And bad PR is the only way the TSA has ever backed off of something.

So, in a way, I guess I'm endorsing this extortion without actually paying for it.

TierFlyer Dec 2, 2006 9:03 am

If I could pay $100 a year and skip 90% of the lines at Dulles on a Friday afternoon I'd have my Amex out in a ninja like blur.

And I wouldn't even have to eat a frozen turd. :D

studentff Dec 2, 2006 9:22 am


Originally Posted by HeHateY (Post 6781128)
* The Registered Traveler kiosks, specially made by GE (now an investor in VIP), also scan shoes so that travellers don't have to take their shoes off when they go through the metal detector (unless they have a significant amount of metal, such as with steel-toed boots or spike heels)

I continue to wonder if the main reasons the TSA went to "all shoes off" after 8/10, even though shoes had nothing whatsoever to do with the supposed liquid threat, was to create a tangible "benefit" for registered travelers to coerce people into using this anti-privacy program.

Think about it: prior to 8/10 many of us posted that there were no real benefits to registered traveler because you still went through the same screening as everyone else, avoided SSSS which as elites most of us rarely get anyway, and went to a supposedly shorter line which as elites most of us already get at big airports anyway.

Now post war-on-water, they could allow registered travelers to leave their shoes on and carry liquids through the checkpoint (since liquids are no longer banned in the sterile area and aircraft, their presence would not freak out the sheeple and cause evacuations and diversions). I suspect tens of thousands of frequent travelers would instantaneously sign up for such a program. Result: a huge hit for privacy and creation of a true two-class traveler system where the procedures and even prohibited items list are completely different. (And there would be no reduction in security, not because of the so-called background checks, but because normal shoes and liquids aren't viable threats anyway.)

:td:

SirFlysALot Dec 2, 2006 10:04 am


Originally Posted by studentff (Post 6781917)
I continue to wonder if the main reasons the TSA went to "all shoes off" after 8/10, even though shoes had nothing whatsoever to do with the supposed liquid threat, was to create a tangible "benefit" for registered travelers to coerce people into using this anti-privacy program.

:td:

I think the all shoes of had to do with the percieved benefit of the line moving faster.

It doesn't but they think it does.

thegeneral Dec 4, 2006 12:29 am

If you travel enough to need to be a Registered Traveller (for air travel anyways), then the airlines already let you skip the line.


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