New TSA Idiocy: "Beverages received on the plane may not be carried off the plane."
 

I overheard two FAs discussing a "new announcement" on a flight today. The purser claimed the TSA had asked them to tell passengers that beverages received on the plane could not be taken off the plane.

The second FA found this utterly ridiculous and asked if it was some kind of joke, and the purser seemed to agree--but said the TSA was requiring the announcement, and sure enough, the announcement was made midway through the beverage service.

So WHAT IS THE TSA WORRIED ABOUT?!!! A "dangerous" liquid being taken OFF a plane?! :confused: :mad: :mad:

Please tell me you're not serious...

We need a *GROAN* smiley here really bad... at this point, I'm way past :rolleyes: , :mad: doesn't cut it anymore and :( is not indicative of what this country is coming to.

For the love of all that's sane, please tell me you're joking. If not, this is just another new low in stupidity that TSA surpassed. I don't even want to guess what the next low will be.

This is yet another admisison that TSA is not confident in its screening.

I'm game for "I'm with stupid" and "banging head on brick wall" emoticons.

Well, they'd better eliminate the seat belt sign during the last 15 minutes of every flight, since they will now require all of us to go to the lav and drain ourselves of any liquids consumed on board.

You know, sometimes I suspect our exalted leaders REALLY would like to know WHERE THE LINE IS,.... YOU KNOW WHICH LINE...THE ONE BEYOND WHICH THE PEOPLE CANNOT BE FURTHER PUSHED WITHOUT INVITING OUTRIGHT MASS REBELLION AND VIOLENCE.

How far CAN we be pushed nowdays? Much, much, MUCH farther than our forefathers tolerated. It only took a little tax on tea for them to say this far and NO MORE. But those were the days when men knew their God, their rights, their duty and walked in courage and honor.

If this becomes an official rule, crazy.

If this is true, this is one policy that I will fequently violate. I usually take water off first flight to have with dinner at airport. I usually take water off second flight home with me. If this is true, this has to be the most ridiculous policy yet.

Marc

Yes, indeed. Those courageous men (and women, too) would not recognize this land of cowards and idiots.

Bruce

Several years ago, I was flying ATL-FLL on AirTran. As I was sitting in FC I ws offered a complementary (small) bottle of wine.

I explained that I didn't want to drink it as I was tired and would soon be driving. I asked if I could take it with me for the evening.

The FA refused -- saying it was against the law.

If you take drinks off the plane you are taking them into the sterile area. That's probably the origin of this nonsense.

In THEORY, the entire airplane is supposed to be sterile. Because everyone got checked before getting to or on the plane. Including cargo and catering turcks and staff. Right? Oh, wait.

Yeah, passengers taking OFF liquids, prohibited in the terminal, even though you can grab one at a concession stand (never again for me) or a lounge. Maple Leaf Lounges might lock up the canned and bottle beverages, but you can still grab one at some lounges on the US side.

FWIW, a woman behind me in BOS yesterday got caught with a bottle of water. Not sure the TSAer could have been more patronizing in discovery.

I'm not joking. I only wish I was. :(

I actually heard this on two flights yesterday (but not on a third).

On one, a UX flight, the GA asked the FA for a bottle of water when she brought aboard the final counts, and the FA gave her one, but said something like, "If you tell, I'll claim I don't know anything about it." The other FA said, "Not supposed to give away catering?" and the FA replied, "No, we're not supposed to let water from the plane go into the terminal, because of the TSA."

The only rational I can come up with is that the TSA feels someone could take one of these bottles airside, then claim when reboarding, "But I got it onboard my last flight." :rolleyes:

(The only good thing I can say about my COS flight being delayed is that we got out of the gate groping; the TSA showed up at original departure time with gloves on, but the GA said, "I'm not sure how long it's going to be; I'll call you," and then didn't call them when the time came as we were trying to get loaded and away before we lost our takeoff window.)

Now all we need is for some reporters to interview passengers - making sure its the ones that only travel once every three or four years - about this new rule and get the standard "if it makes us safer, then its a good rule" response. :td:

I am starting to wonder if Kip Hawley is a partner in several airside food shops at major hubs ;) .

Do you think they would consider your body as a container
and you cant be let out of an aircraft until you have "properly"
disposed off all the liquids consumes on the aircraft in the
aircraft lavatory? :mad:

I dont get it - does this mean I cannot buy a drink in the terminal anymore?

The point of keeping the sterile area sterile is to protect the integrity of the airplane environment. Therefore the airplane is "sterile" also. This is psychotic. :mad:

If I here one more Good American Citizen chirp that any demented, Kafakesque edit is "OK by me if it makes us safer!", I will cough up a lung. This country is a remnant of its former smart, brave self.

Interesting thought, but I doubt that anyone would partner with such an obvious imbecile :rolleyes:

This is a "Red Team" restriction. Apply Ocham's Razor to TSA Red Teaming and you will see the future!

You may still purchase it, but you could be arrested for trafficking
banned substance (aka water) :D

They don't need to interview passengers, just a spokesperson for the flight attendants union that called the new rules "long overdue" and "a small price to make us safer".

The price is always small when you aren't the one paying it!!! :mad:

Bruce

I think the correct spelling if "suffer" not "safer"

Water is not prohibited in the terminal. So that explanation doesn't make sense. You can still buy water at the airside vendors.

This is the most idiotic thing I've heard yet in the string of idiotic rules coming down from Herr Hawley. If the catering water onboard the plane isn't safe, then ... is TSA doing taking away our water at the TSA checkpoint (and then again at the gate)?!?

Why isn't the media covering any of this idiocy?

Here's the quote:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...home-headlines

Now, there are few good comments in the article... such as this:
but with the FAs supporting the restrictions, sanity will be an uphill battle.

I was afraid FA's would act "gloat-ish" about this. :mad: :td:

Ms. Caldwell should be publicly humiliated and made to sit in an empty airplane on the tarmac at PHX for 12 hours tied down to her seat.

:mad:

i believe you..

i was just being sarcastic :D

I know you were. The local newspaper didn't have the full quote and I had to hunt it down online. For everyone's enjoyment :rolleyes:

ummm, isn't the idea of a 'sterile area' to include the actual aircraft being protected by all this bullsh&t??? Your comment makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Which is why it has to be the correct explanation :D

For those wishing to contact Ms. Caldwell, her web page on the AFA site is
http://www.afanet.org/default.asp?id=141

You might want to ask her, for example, to explain how exactly "we have seen the deadly effect that normal household objects can create in the hands of the wrong people" considering that no evidence has been presented indicating that the London plot could have succeeded.

Also, does anyone know why the journalist failed to point out that FAs are exempt from the new rules? If you have some free time, you might want to contact Elizabeth Mehren at the LA Times and ask her.

What a piece of garbage that article is. It is atrociously irresponsible to print the quote above from Caldwell when it is blantaly unfounded.

But, but, think of the children. :rolleyes:

I'm sorry.. but I dont think they should be banned from the flights :D

No carry-on, but instead in checked luggage? :D

Good point and anyone else get the impression this woman just plain despises her customers, the passengers, and is rather smug about their needless discomfort?

Not water related, but similar insanity... on my LHR-JFK flight on United, I was subject to three searches at Heathrow, with the tertiary search taking place at the gate.

It appeared that all people tertiary searched were people not travelling using a US passport.

However... TSA did feel the need to re-xray all luggage as it arrived in JFK, before it came to the luggage carousel. I.... don't understand.

Incidentally, they missed my toothbrush/toothpaste/lip balm in my laptop case. 3 times. Tel Aviv security found it, didn't care.

I don't understand.

Stupid, STUPID *****!! :mad: :mad:

I think I need to stop making "suggestions" on the forums. My dear lord.
See http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showp...8&postcount=52

A FA, retired, disagrees
 

Yesterday, I had lunch with three friends who had driven 650 miles for their annual "homecoming" visit. In the past they would have flown.

However, one of them, a retired FA, refused to fly, saying that she felt by doing so she would be supporting the TSA's new measures which she described, as most of us here do, as totally worthless. She also said that she has friends who are still working and they, too, feel the prohibitions are a waste of time, energy and money. She also indicated that a couple of her friends were very frustrated that the flights they have worked recently have NOT had sufficient water on board for the pax and the particular airline does not seem to care.

Which airline? Inquiring minds want to know!