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ralfp Aug 13, 2006 7:03 pm


Originally Posted by Lehava
You can go to any medical supply store (and most large pharmacies) and buy yourself some of those paper booties, use for security and throw away, simple and not overly expensive.

Paper booties are "footwear". A reasonable screener could say that the TSA statement "All types of footwear must be placed on the X-ray machine to be screened" (on the webpage) requires removal of paper booties.

Gotta love how the "Full List of Prohibited Items" http://www.tsa.gov/assets/pdf/Permit...ibited_NEW.pdf still has the old list of prohibited items. Linked from here: http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtrav...new-items.shtm

peachfront Aug 13, 2006 7:12 pm

The remedy for plantar warts, caused by a contagious virus, is surgery. Athlete's foot fungus may last or recur for years, even decades. Maybe you can just buy a remedy for it. Maybe you will buy many remedies, over many years, and never be free of it again. I would consider that a considerable inconvenience.




Originally Posted by Kremmen
(And, yes, I'd rather catch something I can just buy a remedy for than the flu.)



I like taking showers myself, but the availability of those in airline lounges in the USA is very poor compared to what I'm used to in Australia. I usually try to fly in/out of SFO to shower in the UA Arrivals lounge (not for Y pax tho) incoming and the SQ SKL outgoing.

However, my main point is that compared to not being able to carry innocuous personal items on board a plane, not being able to carry deodorant, not being able to carry a drink, not being able to carry toothpaste on a 24-hour+ trip (yuk!!!), not being able to carry a screwdriver, etc, taking my shoes off for 20 secs is way down the list of things which I believe are worth worrying about.


Points Scrounger Aug 13, 2006 7:20 pm


Originally Posted by peachfront
The remedy for plantar warts, caused by a contagious virus, is surgery. Athlete's foot fungus may last or recur for years, even decades. Maybe you can just buy a remedy for it. Maybe you will buy many remedies, over many years, and never be free of it again. I would consider that a considerable inconvenience.

I had 5 stubborn ones. Eight visits to the podiatrist, who slathered them with acid (I was told that ins co policies are not to allow surgery unless there is actual pain, impaired mobility), did nothing more than reduce some of them slightly. I cannot help that the remedy that eradicated all of them to the extent there are absolutely no sings there was ever a problem will seem as though I'm trying to make a joke here: duct tape. It really worked for me!

etch5895 Aug 13, 2006 7:28 pm


Originally Posted by Kremmen
There is one massive problem with this "discretion" issue. The USA appears to demand that all other countries flights to the USA conform to TSA edicts. With the TSA changing its mind every day and giving discretion, that's just way too hard. Security in other countries will simply take the hardest, most unreasonable line so as to guarantee comformance with the TSA. The TSA edict against small tools is still in place here, even months after the TSA revoked it.

(That whole issue is a complete mess and totally illogical. The authorities have stated that there is no evidence at all of Australia being involved in any of the latest scare. There is no reason why we shouldn't carry liquids on board trans-pacific flights to the US and then repack them into checked luggage for domestic US connections. Instead, we are being forced to carry no liquids on planes to the USA, because the USA somehow believes it should have jurisdiction over other countries and our governments are too gutless to tell them where to shove it. ... or, more importantly, have the same FUD agenda.)

It is the unfortunate case of 'When the US sneezes, the world catches a cold'. Sorry, mate. But, on the bright side, the rules are relaxing gradually as we speak.

What season is it in Australia now? I know that is off-topic.

Nachtswerg Aug 13, 2006 7:30 pm

Bart,

Thanks for the posts from the trenches. I'm impressed that you're willing to put yourself in front of the bulleye for a lot of folks frustrations. Keep up the good work and keep in mind that not all the villagers are getting the torches ready.

Cholula Aug 13, 2006 8:27 pm

A respected moderator on FlyerTalk, SanDiego1K, came up with an interesting idea for this and other new threads here in TS/S. And Bart graciously agreed to the plan.
When he has updated information regarding a change in the prohibitions on TSA carry-ons, he'll post the info in this thread and we'll update the thread title with a new date to indicate there is new info for your perusal.
So watch the date in this thread for updates as to the changing reg's we have to deal with at the TSA checkpoints.

Evan! Aug 13, 2006 8:46 pm


Originally Posted by peachfront
The remedy for plantar warts, caused by a contagious virus, is surgery. Athlete's foot fungus may last or recur for years, even decades. Maybe you can just buy a remedy for it. Maybe you will buy many remedies, over many years, and never be free of it again. I would consider that a considerable inconvenience.

Earlier this year I had a nasty plantars wart and used a Dr. Scholls product that "froze" the thing. I was very sceptical but later amazed. It worked. And this sucker was tough. I had tried several other products but the most they did was reduce it only to have it come back bigger. After the freeze product I can't even see where the thing was. Surgery is not the only remedy.

redburgundy Aug 13, 2006 8:57 pm


Originally Posted by Cholula
A respected moderator on FlyerTalk, SanDiego1K, came up with an interesting idea for this and other new threads here in TS/S. And Bart graciously agreed to the plan.
When he has updated information regarding a change in the prohibitions on TSA carry-ons, he'll post the info in this thread and we'll update the thread title with a new date to indicate there is new info for your perusal.

Why is that better than letting Bart use his own judgement about when to start a new thread when new information becomes available?

last2board Aug 13, 2006 9:21 pm


Originally Posted by redburgundy
Why is that better than letting Bart use his own judgement about when to start a new thread when new information becomes available?

For one thing we can subscribe to this thread and will be notified of additions to the thread without constantly checking for new threads.

Thanks Bart for your contributions.

N830MH Aug 13, 2006 9:21 pm


Originally Posted by redburgundy
Why is that better than letting Bart use his own judgement about when to start a new thread when new information becomes available?

Which is it? :confused: What are you talking about TSA will letting leave shoes on go through the metal detector at checkpoint? They are relaxed due to under new security measures. I only one for me that I am allowed leave the shoes on while I was traveling out from PHX. Some that I know TSA employees at terminal 3 north. I didn't have anything problems my shoes.

Cholula Aug 13, 2006 9:26 pm


Originally Posted by last2board
For one thing we can subscribe to this thread and will be notified of additions to the thread without constantly checking for new threads.

Thanks Bart for your contributions.

I agree and we now have threads coming out of the wazoo since 8/10. We've had more new threads added in the last three days than we've seen in three months.
It's hard to keep up with the latest news and I practically live in this forum. So we want to make this forum as user-friendly as possible for those who just check it occasionally.

us2 Aug 14, 2006 12:59 am


Originally Posted by Cholula
A respected moderator on FlyerTalk, SanDiego1K, came up with an interesting idea for this and other new threads here in TS/S. And Bart graciously agreed to the plan.
When he has updated information regarding a change in the prohibitions on TSA carry-ons, he'll post the info in this thread and we'll update the thread title with a new date to indicate there is new info for your perusal.
So watch the date in this thread for updates as to the changing reg's we have to deal with at the TSA checkpoints.


Great idea. ^

And thanks Bart for a most constructive contribution to FT.

Bart Aug 14, 2006 3:35 am

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Dovster Aug 14, 2006 3:42 am


Originally Posted by Bart
Duty free items are permitted as long as these items are given to the passenger either immediately before boarding the aircraft or after they have boarded. In other words, the airlines/duty free representatives maintain control of these items until boarding time.

Presumably, if I am flying TLV-ATL-FLL on Delta, and buy my duty-free booze on board before landing in Georgia, it will be taken away from me before I can continue my itinerary, is that correct?

Bart Aug 14, 2006 4:10 am

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dulcamara Aug 14, 2006 4:11 am

Can I bring an OPEN tube of a prescription cream for my skin? I have the box for the tube with the label from the drugstore. I'm only worried about the tube's being open here.

Can I bring an OPEN (3oz) tube of an over-the-counter cream if I have a letter from my dermatologist with me?

I have no problem having these items tested in any way you like.

Bart, can you relocate to RDU? I have not met any TSA folks there as sensible as you seem to be. Thanks for your efforts here.

Bart Aug 14, 2006 4:56 am

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GrizShel Aug 14, 2006 5:53 am

New Regulations Discriminate against people who need Orthotics!
 

Originally Posted by Bart
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Gel-based removable insoles are prohibited. Gel-type material integrated into the foundation of the footwear by the manufacturer are allowed as long as they show no signs of tampering.

This rule may prevent me from being able to travel by air in many cases. I have plantar fasciitis and desperately need my $500+ orthotics. Yes, theoretically I could check them, but depending on which airports I fly through and how long the security lines are, that means I could have to walk a long ways without them - that could leave me writhing in pain even before takeoff. That could ruin my entire trip. And I do not feel comfortable checking expensive items anyway.

Please TSA add some sanity to these regulations! I need to know if there is a way around this new ban (Thank God I wasn't forced to throw away my orthotics last Thursday morning like I did $60 or $70 of other stuff!). :mad:

Ari Aug 14, 2006 5:59 am


Originally Posted by GrizShel
This rule may prevent me from being able to travel by air in many cases. I have plantar fasciitis and desperately need my $500+ orthotics. Yes, theoretically I could check them, but depending on which airports I fly through and how long the security lines are, that means I could have to walk a long ways without them - that could leave me writhing in pain even before takeoff. That could ruin my entire trip. And I do not feel comfortable checking expensive items anyway.

Please TSA add some sanity to these regulations! I need to know if there is a way around this new ban (Thank God I wasn't forced to throw away my orthotics last Thursday morning like I did $60 or $70 of other stuff!). :mad:

File a lawsuit against the TSA in federal court.

Bart Aug 14, 2006 6:30 am

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GrizShel Aug 14, 2006 6:36 am


Originally Posted by Bart
Seems to me that a copy of your prescription or other documentation showing the medically-related reason for wearing orthotics would allow the checkpoint supervisor the ability to mitigate the restriction in your case.

I hope you are right Bart. It might cost me a few bucks to get the doc to write a note but it would be much better than being forced to fly without the orthotics. I'll report back on how it goes here if there still isn't sufficient clarity on this issue by the time I fly.

JakiChan Aug 14, 2006 6:45 am


Originally Posted by GrizShel
I hope you are right Bart. It might cost me a few bucks to get the doc to write a note but it would be much better than being forced to fly without the orthotics. I'll report back on how it goes here if there still isn't sufficient clarity on this issue by the time I fly.

Or check the orthotics and demand gate assistance. This will inconvience you, but more important it will inconvience the airport and the TSA, which to me seems like a good idea. Make them wheel you to baggage claim, wait for your bag, get your orthotics (assuming they don't get lost) and put them back in your shoes. If your bag is lost inform them that you can't walk and ask them what are they going to do.

Vulcan Aug 14, 2006 6:57 am

The issue of shoes, can you refuse to walk through without your shoes, but say you would prefer to take them off in front of a TSA offical while seated for them to then go through the scanner

This is from CME Flyer, I didn't realize I was in my husbands login (Vulcan).

Superguy Aug 14, 2006 7:10 am


Originally Posted by Bart
As an aside:
These are the times that define our character. I'm finding that out in more ways than one. A great majority of my coworkers appreciate the common sense interpretations I try to apply, but I do have some who see this as a green light to bully passengers.

The path to my proverbial woodshed is getting worn.

Thanks for taking them there. I think if they don't respond to that, they should be taken behind the barn and "shot."

Spiff Aug 14, 2006 7:14 am


Originally Posted by Vulcan
The issue of shoes, can you refuse to walk through without your shoes, but say you would prefer to take them off in front of a TSA offical while seated for them to then go through the scanner

This is from CME Flyer, I didn't realize I was in my husbands login (Vulcan).

Unfortunately, no.

The TSA wants to play their disgusting little shoe games before the WTMD. :(

bobob Aug 14, 2006 7:25 am

[QUOTE=Bart]

Here are the exceptions (permitted items):
[INDENT]Baby forumula/milk and baby food in small containers if a baby or small child is traveling.

Bart, I thank you for your clarifications to the new guidelines. I have a question regarding what you posted here - do I take it that regular milk for an infant is allowable? Until now all I have read is that formula is allowed, but since my 16 month old drinks regular milk and not formula I am unsure if I can take his milk along. I would appreciate any guidance.

birdstrike Aug 14, 2006 7:46 am


Originally Posted by GrizShel
This rule may prevent me from being able to travel by air in many cases. I have plantar fasciitis and desperately need my $500+ orthotics.

I didn't know that some custom orthotics were made with a gel component. I'll have to have my wife look at hers before our next trip. I think they are just plastic and foam. Thanks.

Bart Aug 14, 2006 7:54 am

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Fly AA J all the way Aug 14, 2006 8:00 am


Originally Posted by Bart
Essential non-prescription medicines not to exceed 4 ounces.


So how do I know if my stuff would be considered medicine or cosmetic? Also, is there a way to spray some on a little card, and have it tested for explosives on the spot? I'd be more than happy to let them do this, I just don't want this stuff lost in checked luggage and be without it till I can order a replacement.

Ari Aug 14, 2006 8:17 am

TSA's other Bart
 
We need a little humor.

See:

http://www.tsa.gov/lawenforcement/pr...mage_0009.shtm

Also see:

http://www.tsa.gov/lawenforcement/pr...y_program.shtm

Superguy Aug 14, 2006 8:26 am

Bart is just so cute in that picture! :D

Bart Aug 14, 2006 8:41 am

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wierdo Aug 14, 2006 9:31 am


Originally Posted by Spiff
Unfortunately, no.

The TSA wants to play their disgusting little shoe games before the WTMD. :(

Can I submit a bill to the TSA when I get fined for walking in a public building without shoes, which is still a health code violation? I wonder if the airport can bill them when they are also fined for allowing it to happen.

More importantly, I wonder if AA might be kind enough to refund my tickets for next month. I'm not catching some foot fungus or virus that stays for life just because the TSA wants to play their little fear games. Somehow I expect I'm just going to have to eat the $700, though. :(

pizzamiles Aug 14, 2006 10:07 am

I'm still not fully awake yet... remind me what "WTMD" is?

I guess Frank Constanza will not be flying under the new show removal requirement..... :D

Cholula Aug 14, 2006 10:10 am


Originally Posted by pizzamiles
I'm still not fully awake yet... remind me what "WTMD" is?

Walk Through Metal Detector

FWAAA Aug 14, 2006 10:18 am


Originally Posted by Cholula
Walk Through Metal Detector

Thanks. I thought they were Weapons of Thorough Mass Destruction. :)

Superguy Aug 14, 2006 10:20 am


Originally Posted by FWAAA
Thanks. I thought they were Weapons of Thorough Mass Destruction. :)

That's TSA's codename.

goalie Aug 14, 2006 10:32 am

thank you Bart ^ as with the rules being "liquid" (pun intented), this makes going to the tsa website on a daily basis easier (tho i will do a 2x check the day before i fly just in case). also, thanks for the clarification on shoes but just to ask......

i have custom orthotics (non gel) but if i remove my shoes, i cannot walk without assistance so if i have it correct, i inform the gatekeeper i have a medical condition (as i have always done), go thru and then get swabbed. is that it or is it gonna be the fully secondary and will i still have to remove my shoes after going thru as that will create a problem as it will take me a good 30 minutes to remove and put my shoes back on (and that's with a shoehorn but i don't think that the tsa will proved a sterile shoehorn so that's my dilemma). also, where those of us at sfo can use the puffer, will that (as it's been in the past) eliminate the need for shoe removal as that was a godsend...puff, wtmd with no alarm and done.

Flaflyer Aug 14, 2006 10:45 am

SAT bound
 

Originally Posted by Bart
I wouldn't have a problem allowing you to keep it if you were to process through my checkpoint.

Why do I get the felling that the best way to fly these days would be to drive to SAT and begin all my trips there? ^ Too bad it's too far.

At the cute dogs picture, anyone else notice the training is based in Texas? :D

I like this pic better. Is he pretending to smile or smirking at the shoeless sheeple?

http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtrav...ing/index.shtm

Yaatri Aug 14, 2006 11:14 am


Originally Posted by GrizShel
This rule may prevent me from being able to travel by air in many cases. I have plantar fasciitis and desperately need my $500+ orthotics. Yes, theoretically I could check them, but depending on which airports I fly through and how long the security lines are, that means I could have to walk a long ways without them - that could leave me writhing in pain even before takeoff. That could ruin my entire trip. And I do not feel comfortable checking expensive items anyway.

Please TSA add some sanity to these regulations! I need to know if there is a way around this new ban (Thank God I wasn't forced to throw away my orthotics last Thursday morning like I did $60 or $70 of other stuff!). :mad:

Ouch. I know how painful plantar facsiitis is. Mine just doesn't get better. My prthoics do not have gel. I thought only the OTC (Dr Scholl's) kind had gel in them. In my expreience they are not good.


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