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oldpenny16 Aug 16, 2006 2:13 pm

true!
 

Originally Posted by Bart
Logic tells me that bottled water purchased inside the sterile area should be permitted. Even if the requirement is that the bottle remain sealed until brought inside the aircraft. I don't know if this has been brought up in the good-idea stage of ongoing procedural reviews.

One good idea would be to change the location of these procedural reviews so that the participants have to fly out of airports to get to this meeting and get a feel for the impact of their decisions. The officers I work with are professional and committed to their duties, but their common gripe is to have the head honchos spend a day, in TSA uniform, on the floor to see what it's like. We do have some who come to the floor, but they stand in the back for a few moments and then wander off. They need to experience a couple of 30-minute rotations in our shoes. Of course, this will never happen, but if it did, then perhaps they would learn to at least survey the field first before coming up with bright ideas in changing our procedures.

As true in your line of work as in mine!

nrgiii Aug 16, 2006 2:20 pm


Originally Posted by Bart
Logic tells me that bottled water purchased inside the sterile area should be permitted. Even if the requirement is that the bottle remain sealed until brought inside the aircraft. I don't know if this has been brought up in the good-idea stage of ongoing procedural reviews.

Thanks Bart. At least I know this also makes sense to someone "in the know" and not just us road warriors.

studentff Aug 16, 2006 2:25 pm


Originally Posted by mikeon
Any kind of food item with a gel like conistancy or have liquids in it are not allowed anymore such as yogurts, jello, puddings, penut butter, etc. I need to clarify this with my other supervisors.

Request for clarification: are you saying that fruits such as oranges and grapes, which "have liquids" in them, would be prohibited?

I had very good luck flying with (a five-pound bag of) oranges last weekend and have been assuming that will be my means of emergency/backup hydration. No screener made any comments about them--allowed or not--so it's possible they were just unseen.

I'd be more than a bit annoyed if some TSAer tried to confiscate them, but I'd at least like to know the rules.

Mr. Woo Aug 16, 2006 2:26 pm

more never-ending questions for Bart
 
My first post, as I too am getting unhinged by all this security stuff. Two questions for the long-suffering Bart:

If we have to take off our shoes, can we put on those disposable shoe-covers that medical personnel wear? Or will we be asked to take those off, too?

I read that aerosols are now prohibited. Does that include spray Evian? It's basically Evian water in a small spray can, which is great for long, dry flights.

bseller Aug 16, 2006 2:53 pm


Originally Posted by greggwiggins
At BWI, screeners were so thorough that they confiscated toothpaste from air marshals, who carry guns.

I appreciate that the OP didn't "write" this article, something doesn't sound right here...AFAIK, FAMs do not go through TSA screening. Am I wrong here?

Best, Dave

egtravel Aug 16, 2006 3:02 pm


Originally Posted by Mr. Woo
My first post, as I too am getting unhinged by all this security stuff. Two questions for the long-suffering Bart:

If we have to take off our shoes, can we put on those disposable shoe-covers that medical personnel wear? Or will we be asked to take those off, too?

I read that aerosols are now prohibited. Does that include spray Evian? It's basically Evian water in a small spray can, which is great for long, dry flights.

I'm not Bart, but I think this can be answered by pretty much any one. The paper booties would be allowed as they are pretty much like socks, only made of paper. They don't make you take your socks off now, do they?

As for the Evian water in a spray can...sounds like a liquid to me, and the answer is still, NO. ;)

Welcome to FT, by the way!

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thezipper Aug 16, 2006 3:41 pm

Kudo's on the attitude to have... thats the best and brightest quote I think I've read or heard in a long time... and thanks for the previous reply!


Originally Posted by Bart
I've been reminding my officers at the beginning of my shift: "Read the prohibited items list but do not read into it."


daw617 Aug 16, 2006 3:45 pm


Originally Posted by galileosdaughter1
I am currently trying to figure out how to "smuggle" onboard a small amount of hand lotion and anti-bacterial gel.

The best I can come up with is to stick them in your pocket; they're unlikely to set off the metal detector and my guess is most likely no one will notice. (If the TSA does call you on it, then at that point maybe you can try the "under 4oz of non-prescription drugs" exemption, but better to ask for forgiveness than permission, since my guess is that it is unlikely they will notice.) However, I haven't had the chance to test this yet.

This is what I plan to do when I next travel next week. Anyone else have any better suggestions?

bordeauxboy Aug 16, 2006 4:08 pm


Originally Posted by Points Scrounger
Solid ones are a single piece, with a plastic screw stick through the center to advance the remaining deodorant forward as necessary.
Gel ones have a solid plastic "grid" at the top; the gel oozes through there when the deodorant-advance mechanism is deployed.

My question comes through because as of today - third time that I have traveled since 8/10 - I was informed that TSA consider all deodorants to be gel deodorants, unlike the previous two trips. They confiscated my solid stick deodorant at IAH today despite my best efforts to explain the difference between solids and gels. When did this change? Or does each airport get to make its own rules?

It is getting progressively more difficult to maintain any degree of respect for people that I should want doing their jobs.

Points Scrounger Aug 16, 2006 4:29 pm

Someone needs to educate the IAH supervisors. The screeners are in error.

tokyobanker Aug 16, 2006 9:16 pm

I have a 13 hour trip to Tokyo on Monday and normally use non-prescription nasal spray on long flights. My understanding is that nasal spray should now be allowed under the revised rules concerning non-prescription medicine and liquids. Is this revision pretty clear or subject to local variation? :confused:

goalie Aug 16, 2006 9:47 pm

just a thought but how 'bout making this thread a sticky (or at least until things settle down a bit) :)


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