And what attitude is that? You mean the attitude that comes out when people start whining about what they "deserve"? The one that comes out when people think all their individual failings and anything that is lost is caused exclusively by the government, and/or the individual government employee? ;)

Actually, my wife and I have posted on this board for several months now. I simply used another email address to make a new account. My previous posts was part of an actual conversation I had with a female passenger coming out of New York. Those were her actual feelings about the marshals and the government in general. Yet, it amazes me that people out there share those views. Personally, for the most part, I sleep when I fly; whether in a first or coach. As far as FWAAA sending whatever to whomever in the name of national security; let's first question the real reason some people want these agents off these flights? Could you imagine the cover of the USA Today stating the marshal had ended? Perhaps not with frequent fliers like ourselves but the average traveling public would lose faith in their ability to fly safely. Imagine what that would do to our ticket prices? Terrorist would read that headline and begin licking their chops. Are there problems within the program and airline security in general? Of course. I don't have an answer do you?

Uh huh.

I'm a sky marshal.

No, wait, I'm a frequent flyer.

Uh huh. Were you lying the first time? Yes? Are you lying now?

By the way: Multiple handles are prohibited by FlyerTalk and can result in banning. Your call.

Right..... :rolleyes:

Multiple in what way? I have one, my wife has one, my father-in-law (an American Airlines pilot) has one. If you mean multiple accounts in the same family; I guess we're screwed.

Your FT login is in good taste? :rolleyes:

If you hope people get hijacked, how about we ship you unarmed to a certain neighborhood in Fallujah where you can manage the next best thing -- i.e., a kidnapping.

:rolleyes: You seem to think that you've proven a lot with blanket statements. All you've proven is that you are better at convincing yourself than others. Maybe it is because your standards are low.

Funny post, though. Good try.

Not being one to take sides normally, I just find I'm unable to resist on this one.

Perhaps some light reading would be in order...

USC Title 49 subtitle VII section 44917 paragraph (a) subparagraph (4) -

"shall require air carriers providing flights described in
paragraph (1) to provide seating for a Federal air marshal on
any such flight without regard to the availability of seats on
the flight and at no cost to the United States Government or
the marshal"

At no cost would be free. :eek: Although, you are correct about the tax credit, however it is only a credit for the excise taxes on the seat about $14.00 for a domestic flight.

As for the 'non-active' sky marshal, definately the DL employee's error. Same as above but subparagraph (5) -

"may require air carriers to provide, on a space-available
basis, to an off-duty Federal air marshal a seat on a flight
to the airport nearest the marshal’s home at no cost to the
marshal or the United States Government if the marshal is
traveling to that airport after completing his or her security
duties"

Heavy emphasis on the may and space-available in the reg, and you see that the DL employee definately went above and beyond for the off-duty FAM instead of the true revenue pax. Also notice this does not say the seat of the FAMs choice, so no F if not entitled.

Cheers. :D

It sickens me to read such selfish remarks as what I have read on this website concerning the Air Marshals. These people are the last chance any of us may have if faced with another 9-11. It may be an inconvienince, but they can have my first class seat if that is what it takes to send me home to my family. Being a public servent does not mean they exist to service us in any way except to protect our lives in whatever means they deem necessary. I am not a spolied, self centered whiner concerned more about my free warm nuts than I am the safety of American lives. Obviously some people posting here did not lose family or friends on 9-11. Obviously some people posting here feel their comfort for a couple of hours is more important than than the pain and sorrow that some families will experience for the rest of their lives from losing their loved ones on 9-11.

I may not agree with everything my govt is doing, but I can vote in order to make changes. I am not envious of their jobs, their pay, their pensions or their seats on an airplane. I have read the news articles and I have seen them in the airports and on the ground, who has'nt? I am sure they dont need my greed or ego to get in the way of a job I dont understand, and I am sure you dont understand it either. Cut them some slack and be thankful that they are willing to die to save the spoiled life that you live.

It sickens me to read ridiculous drivel.

I'm not a FAM, but I play one on TV, and have lots of friends who are the real deal. What would you like to know?

Dude, you are not doing yourselves any favors with these kinds of replies.

If you feel you have been robbed of your FC upgrade, it is not the FAM who is the robber, it is your congressman who enacted the ATSA. If you feel that strongly about it, reboot congress and move on.

What a coincidence, re: reading sickening text! ;)

How highly specious and extremely unlikely!

How nice of you! Feel free to volunteer at the gate - I'm not giving up my seat willingly.

Like stealing premium cabin seats and enforcing no-pee rules on flights to DCA. Wow, my life is so much safer now.


Whether you are spoiled or self-centered is unknown.

And that has.... what to do with air marshals stealing premium class seats?

Wow, you really lost me here. So, if I sit in the middle seat in coach and let the air marshal steal my seat in F, somehow the 'pain and sorrow' of those who lost family members on 9/11 will be reduced/eliminated? How exactly does this form of grief therapy work?

Thank you for the Civics 101 lesson.

Then I don't recommend you apply for the job.

Anyone above the age of 4 who has walked into or past the F cabin can identify the air marshal.

Pretty presumptuous of you to assume to know what we do and do not understand. If calculus is a mystery to you, I guess it's a mystery to the rest of the planet too, huh?

You bet. Just as soon as they leave their guns at home and stay out of the premium cabin unless they are paying for their upgrades out of their own pocket or their own FF account.

And welcome to FlyerTalk.

Do you really believe that, I mean really? You must be one high speed dude. Yes, we need more explosives detection equipment(chemical sniffers) at the checkpoints, but they are like a million bucks a pop. The fact of the matter is that when (not if) there is another terrorist hijacking, there are going to be lots of well-trained bad guys with nothing to lose, and they are going to be armed with deadly weapons provided courtesy of unscreened airport employees and ramp rats. And guess what?!! The FC passengers are going to die first and get stacked in the aisles like cord wood!!

I don't really care if I change your mind about the relative merits of the FAM program, but I thought you might appreciate an accurate picture of the ensuing scenario.