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The Unknown Screener Dec 10, 2003 11:25 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by CarmelGreg:
Starting with the TSA!! To be unaccountable for theft and damaged/stolen luggage because of their "or else" policy is unacceptable.</font>
Good luck. Since when is the gov't ever held accountable?



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TacomaRain Dec 11, 2003 10:29 am

What you do with an attitude like that is have each airline showing a different level of concern for the safety of their passengers. One that has had no incidents (out of shear luck) would think that they could continue to get away with no, or little security. Another that has seen some bad luck would, out of CYA provide some greater security (if they could afford it). You would end up with a patchwork system of security which would open the system wide for terrorists. Maybe once this is done the airline industry could post the level of security that each airline is providing. This, of course would be for the convenience of the prospective flier. Of course I would suppose that the terrorist could as easily use this information.
The real answer is, and has been voiced by many here, to include CG, Spiff, etc. And that is to join together in a much louder voice and demand from Congress that the billions spent, and earmarked to be spent on airline security be used to make actual changes in the system that are truly safety and security related. However if they do, in fact succeed in putting into place such proceedures that will actually prevent terrorist attacks I hope that we all can live with the restrictions. There will be a lot more inconvenience and intrusion into our civil rights.
A united voice is the key.

CarmelGreg Dec 11, 2003 10:47 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by TacomaRain:
What you do with an attitude like that is have each airline showing a different level of concern for the safety of their passengers. One that has had no incidents (out of shear luck) would think that they could continue to get away with no, or little security. Another that has seen some bad luck would, out of CYA provide some greater security (if they could afford it). You would end up with a patchwork system of security which would open the system wide for terrorists. Maybe once this is done the airline industry could post the level of security that each airline is providing. This, of course would be for the convenience of the prospective flier. Of course I would suppose that the terrorist could as easily use this information.
The real answer is, and has been voiced by many here, to include CG, Spiff, etc. And that is to join together in a much louder voice and demand from Congress that the billions spent, and earmarked to be spent on airline security be used to make actual changes in the system that are truly safety and security related. However if they do, in fact succeed in putting into place such proceedures that will actually prevent terrorist attacks I hope that we all can live with the restrictions. There will be a lot more inconvenience and intrusion into our civil rights.
A united voice is the key.
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Agree somewhat with your post. I think we have all agreed that TSA security IS lacking "real" security. I understand the impossible challenge to screen everyone and everything that has access to passenger planes however I still maintain that if Groundcrew have a "background" check and aren't screened everytime they "re-enter" the sterile area then FF'ers that meet a "certain" criteria could have the same background check done, therefore bypassing security. After all what is the difference? People is people and parts is parts.

Spiff Dec 11, 2003 11:32 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by TakeScissorsAway:
Probably one of the last airports to do so.
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Sadly, DFW, which is one of my frequently-visited airports, still practices this disgusting exercise in harassment.

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TacomaRain Dec 11, 2003 12:31 pm

I totally agree CG. It is the same concept as the ability of a terrorist to literally walk onto a flight line and approach an aircraft sitting on the tarmac. It can, and has been done. H..ll, all they have to do is make up fake ID's and put a sign on the side of a cargo truck. We put our finger in the hole in the dyke, and at the same time the tide is rising above the dam.
Again, an excellent example of MAKING people FEEL safe. I know that I disagree with you much of the time, mainly in your rants about our ineffectiveness and at those of us who you feel should be selling hamburgers at McD's, but not on your concept of where the security emphasis should be placed. The problem is that if TSA spends its real money on these security features the flying public will not see the true result, and thus will not give TSA management "credit" for their "efforts".

CarmelGreg Dec 11, 2003 2:49 pm


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by TacomaRain:
I totally agree CG. It is the same concept as the ability of a terrorist to literally walk onto a flight line and approach an aircraft sitting on the tarmac. It can, and has been done. H..ll, all they have to do is make up fake ID's and put a sign on the side of a cargo truck. We put our finger in the hole in the dyke, and at the same time the tide is rising above the dam.
Again, an excellent example of MAKING people FEEL safe. I know that I disagree with you much of the time, mainly in your rants about our ineffectiveness and at those of us who you feel should be selling hamburgers at McD's, but not on your concept of where the security emphasis should be placed. The problem is that if TSA spends its real money on these security features the flying public will not see the true result, and thus will not give TSA management "credit" for their "efforts".
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Appreciate the post. While many here have made comments about McD's I'm not one of them. I did however point out, once, that In-Out Burger starts at $12 per hour w/bennies for those TSA wondering where they could make what theyr're making now. Problem is In-Out (I Believe) is only in the West. California and Nevada for sure. Any one know what other states have an In-Out Burger?


HeHateY Jan 1, 2004 12:43 pm

Just to continue the original purpose of this thread:

PVD, shoes required removal.

The floor is carpeted, but who knows the last time it was cleaned...

Regardless, PVD is a dream compared to BOS. The six stations swallowed a rather long line (started on the stairs to baggage claim and went throuch the four mazes) in about 15 minutes.

Maze-minders polite and good at catching linecutters at the gaps between the mazes (you have to have visited PVD recntly to understand this). I also appreciated the fellow carrying the large "End of Line" sign on a pole.



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