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petaluma1 Feb 3, 2020 7:09 am


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 32025396)
Close proximity before or not, exposed to a then-contagious person before or not, encouraging closer physical mingling amongst the isolated/quarantined complicates matters in a way that is not good for clearing and clearing out people sooner than later without opening the door to possibly increasing the spread.

In spite of my earlier post that said those quarantined would be confined to their rooms, news segments last night showed them socializing outside of the hotel where they are being held.

looker001 Feb 3, 2020 7:11 am


Originally Posted by petaluma1 (Post 32026841)
In spite of my earlier post that said those quarantined would be confined to their rooms, news segments last night showed them socializing outside of the hotel where they are being held.

I am seriously surprised not a single one is legally challenging the quarantine.

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Often1 Feb 3, 2020 2:12 pm

Not surprised in the least. I suspect that those quarantined are aware of the reasons and either agree or at least find the restrictions reasonable.

If they don't, while it sounds arcane, filing a Petition for Habeas Corpus is not hard, does not require any particular formal document and would be at least preliminarily heard in the nearest federal court relatively immediately.

That is not to suggest that a Petition would get anywhere under the circumstances, but the process itself is not hard, is accessible and while it may help to have the assistance of a lawyer, it isn't necessary to get yourself in front of the court in the first place.

gsoltso Feb 4, 2020 6:24 am


Originally Posted by Often1 (Post 32028502)
Not surprised in the least. I suspect that those quarantined are aware of the reasons and either agree or at least find the restrictions reasonable.

If they don't, while it sounds arcane, filing a Petition for Habeas Corpus is not hard, does not require any particular formal document and would be at least preliminarily heard in the nearest federal court relatively immediately.

That is not to suggest that a Petition would get anywhere under the circumstances, but the process itself is not hard, is accessible and while it may help to have the assistance of a lawyer, it isn't necessary to get yourself in front of the court in the first place.

Sadly, many of our citizens are woefully undereducated on the legal system (and by extension, their Rights). These are afforded to all, but many have no idea of how to file these, or even how to ask legal oriented folks how to help them. Having an attorney will certainly increase the chances that there is a positive result, but as some members here at FT have demonstrated - all you need is some basic knowledge and willpower when it comes to filing legal briefs.

gsoltso Feb 4, 2020 6:39 am


Originally Posted by looker001 (Post 32026853)
I am seriously surprised not a single one is legally challenging the quarantine.

The vast majority are either in agreement that the quarantine is a "necessary evil" (or even a vacation for some!!!), are too scared of the proceedings to speak out, or simply do not know the way to go about challenging the situation on legal grounds. I know that in the past, quarantine cases typically do not seem to drive much change, as the ability to detain and quarantine has been codified into law:

Legal info from the CDC.

Visconti Feb 4, 2020 6:42 am


Originally Posted by gsoltso (Post 32031020)

From what I've noticed the past several years, one simply follow only those laws he/she likes or find "makes sense."

petaluma1 Feb 4, 2020 11:39 am


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 32025396)
Close proximity before or not, exposed to a then-contagious person before or not, encouraging closer physical mingling amongst the isolated/quarantined complicates matters in a way that is not good for clearing and clearing out people sooner than later without opening the door to possibly increasing the spread.

Suppose one of these individuals comes down with corona virus. Are all others held in quarantine with them going to be required to spend another 14 days in quarantine? I can foresee a situation in which some people end up quarantined for months.

Often1 Feb 4, 2020 12:17 pm


Originally Posted by gsoltso (Post 32031020)
The vast majority are either in agreement that the quarantine is a "necessary evil" (or even a vacation for some!!!), are too scared of the proceedings to speak out, or simply do not know the way to go about challenging the situation on legal grounds. I know that in the past, quarantine cases typically do not seem to drive much change, as the ability to detain and quarantine has been codified into law:

Legal info from the CDC.

I disagree.

But, the fact remains that rather than bemoaning some larger societal issue, it is up to each individual to decide what to do. The fact that nobody has as of yet challenged either their quarantine or even the specific conditions of the quarantine, says a lot. E.g. that this not a major issue for those most affected.

petaluma1 Feb 4, 2020 12:23 pm


Originally Posted by Often1 (Post 32032274)
I disagree.

But, the fact remains that rather than bemoaning some larger societal issue, it is up to each individual to decide what to do. The fact that nobody has as of yet challenged either their quarantine or even the specific conditions of the quarantine, says a lot. E.g. that this not a major issue for those most affected.

It will become a major issue if/when a family is quarantined in their home with the breadwinner unable to go to work, the chief caretaker unable to go to the grocery store or pharmacy and children unable to go to school.

gsoltso Feb 4, 2020 12:27 pm


Originally Posted by Often1 (Post 32032274)
I disagree.

But, the fact remains that rather than bemoaning some larger societal issue, it is up to each individual to decide what to do. The fact that nobody has as of yet challenged either their quarantine or even the specific conditions of the quarantine, says a lot. E.g. that this not a major issue for those most affected.

Agreed, it does not seem as though there has been any kind of a push against the quarantines in any meaningful ways. I am not certain what you were disagreeing with, we seem to be saying roughly the same thing?

LHSEN Feb 8, 2020 9:49 am

Anyone has recent experience after the travel restriction went into effect, did someone ask every arriving passenger regardless of the origin of the flight if they’ve been to China the last 14 days ... what’s the procedure they’ve put in place?

Randyk47 Feb 8, 2020 10:14 am


Originally Posted by LHSEN (Post 32047960)
Anyone has recent experience after the travel restriction went into effect, did someone ask every arriving passenger regardless of the origin of the flight if they’ve been to China the last 14 days ... what’s the procedure they’ve put in place?

We just technically reentered the US Monday but it was on a closed loop Ft Lauderdale to Ft Lauderdale cruise and because of that we weren’t asked any questions. What did happen, and why I’m posting, was the family in front of us at Customs and Immigration were Chinese carrying People’s Republic of China passports. They were pulled out of line and taken to a separate waiting area. I can only think it was because of their country of origin and the authorities were trying to determine where they lived in China and how long they’d be away.

LHSEN Feb 8, 2020 10:22 am

Technically speaking I would have thought they aren’t allowed to enter the US anymore unless they are PR ?

Randyk47 Feb 8, 2020 10:44 am


Originally Posted by LHSEN (Post 32048059)
Technically speaking I would have thought they aren’t allowed to enter the US anymore unless they are PR ?

If you are speaking of the Chinese family I mentioned above I really don’t know what they did with them nor do I know if they were PRs. They boarded the cruise in Ft Lauderdale so they’d already be admitted to the US at some point and time. What appeared to be the husband and wife spoke pretty good English but the other two family members appeared to be older mother or aunt types and apparently spoke no or little English. They couldn’t exactly put them back on the cruise ship because it was leaving on another closed loop cruise so they’d be back in Ft Lauderdale in another 11 days. I guess they could have taken them to the airport and shipped them home but then again a lot of airlines are cancelling flights to China. Kind of a mess for the family and the authorities.


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