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danielonn Jul 8, 2018 12:27 pm

Global Entry Card and TLV Security
 
I was wondering if I showed my Global Entry Card on departure at TLV and as my KTN Number is entered into my reservation will this speed up the security screening? I know that every country is different but as US and Israel have close ties and share their security would the Security at TLV know that I have Global Entry and also I have visited Israel many times so they must have a record that I am low risk.

Yoshi212 Jul 8, 2018 12:33 pm

Nope.


Originally Posted by danielonn (Post 29951043)
I was wondering if I showed my Global Entry Card on departure at TLV and as my KTN Number is entered into my reservation will this speed up the security screening? I know that every country is different but as US and Israel have close ties and share their security would the Security at TLV know that I have Global Entry and also I have visited Israel many times so they must have a record that I am low risk.


Greg76248 Jul 8, 2018 12:40 pm

Nope. It would probably make them scrutinize you even more than normal for TLV!

Often1 Jul 8, 2018 1:03 pm

No. Showing your GE card at TSA for a US departure also won't do anything for you !

kennycrudup Jul 8, 2018 1:59 pm


Originally Posted by Often1 (Post 29951148)
No. Showing your GE card at TSA for a US departure also won't do anything for you !

... "anything extra", I'm assuming you mean here? (I use my GE card exclusively at the TDC for domestic flights to minimize the chance of losing my DL.)

Often1 Jul 8, 2018 4:04 pm


Originally Posted by kennycrudup (Post 29951320)
... "anything extra", I'm assuming you mean here? (I use my GE card exclusively at the TDC for domestic flights to minimize the chance of losing my DL.)

OP's question did not relate to the use of a GE card as ID.

Ari Jul 8, 2018 7:54 pm


Originally Posted by danielonn (Post 29951043)
I was wondering if I showed my Global Entry Card on departure at TLV and as my KTN Number is entered into my reservation will this speed up the security screening? I know that every country is different but as US and Israel have close ties and share their security would the Security at TLV know that I have Global Entry and also I have visited Israel many times so they must have a record that I am low risk.

They couldn't give a flying frog about your GE card in TLV.

Although, now that this administration revokes GE based on national origin, maybe TLV will start giving them some credence eventually. ;)

dblumenhoff Jul 8, 2018 10:37 pm

Not in the slightest. TLV security trusts no one. They don't even have an Israeli trusted traveler program. Actually, they kind of do, it's called the fact that everybody knows everybody. One time when I was 18 I had a flight out when I was with some friends, and one of them knew the security guard. She moved us to the front of the line, skipped the bag scanners, and we went straight to check in.

N830MH Jul 15, 2018 10:21 pm


Originally Posted by Often1 (Post 29951148)
No. Showing your GE card at TSA for a US departure also won't do anything for you !

He's right! You can't show GE at TLV airport. GE is only in US, not in Israel. If you answer the security questions by Israeli agents. You will answer the security questions. Why are you here in Israel for? How long you been in Israel? It is very important to answer the security questions.

georgina80 Jul 18, 2018 1:55 pm

This thread is cracking me up! I have global entry and I still get the "special treatment" when I fly out of TLV including a couple weeks ago when I was strip searched before being allowed to board my flight. My Arabic ancestry is the culprit I assume.

garykung Jul 18, 2018 2:39 pm


Originally Posted by danielonn (Post 29951043)
I was wondering if I showed my Global Entry Card on departure at TLV and as my KTN Number is entered into my reservation will this speed up the security screening? I know that every country is different but as US and Israel have close ties and share their security would the Security at TLV know that I have Global Entry and also I have visited Israel many times so they must have a record that I am low risk.

There are several issues with how you put it.

1. AFAIK (because I have never been there), TLV is the airport with the toughest security in the world. If TLV, based on a quick internet search, does not offer expedited security to the Israeli. Why on earth having GE will give you carte blanche?

2. Not too much politics - if the U.S. and Israel are really that closed, TLV should have been a U.S. preclearance POE.

3. It is not the GE card that makes GE works. Instead, your GE information is assessed to determine you are low risk. A person can in fact enjoy GE without using the card itself. For example, if you don't put your PASS number in the KTN field of your reservation, you will still be subject to regular security even with the GE card.

And I doubt TLV has access to GE information.

4. Frequent visits do not make your low risk in term of security, but they do make you low risk in term of immigration. Also - if you want to be deemed low risk, get a Israeli Passport if you can.

TWA884 Jul 18, 2018 5:43 pm

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Repooc17 Jul 18, 2018 8:32 pm

The purpose of the GE card: https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/1228/~/global-entry-card-uses

Ari Jul 19, 2018 3:16 pm


Originally Posted by garykung (Post 29988483)
Also - if you want to be deemed low risk, get a Israeli Passport if you can.

This doesn't help anyone of the 'wrong' creed. Arabs with Israeli passports are treated like crap at TLV. I sail right through on my USA passport. It is ethnic/religious profiling.

dblumenhoff Jul 19, 2018 4:35 pm


Originally Posted by garykung (Post 29988483)
There are several issues with how you put it.

1. AFAIK (because I have never been there), TLV is the airport with the toughest security in the world. If TLV, based on a quick internet search, does not offer expedited security to the Israeli. Why on earth having GE will give you carte blanche?

To the extent that PreCheck offers expedited security, so does TLV. Other than removing laptops, the magnetometer and xray experience in Israel is basically like pre 9/11 security in the US - no removal of shoes, liquids, and no body scanners. The additional security is all pre check-in, which is something that isn't even conceptualized in the US.


2. Not too much politics - if the U.S. and Israel are really that closed, TLV should have been a U.S. preclearance POE.
Regardless of how eligible Israel is for preclearance, it would never happen. There's not enough volume. It's not worth opening a US CBP facility for the 10.5 flights per day (off the top of my head) that go to the US, especially since I think 7 of them leave within a 2 hour window, so you would need to have ridiculous staffing volumes and secluded gate areas for 7 flights at a time that would hardly get used the rest of the day.


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