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Tisbutascratch Nov 9, 2017 1:24 pm

Will we learn next about bear's toilet habits or the religion of the Pope?

FliesWay2Much Nov 9, 2017 2:30 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 29037520)
I think this passage from the link in OP's post is interesting:


The congressman also noted that Viper teams, specially trained Homeland Security teams that use canines to secure transportation facilities, are being cut from 31 to eight.

The VIPR teams are the clerks who harass us at Metro, AMTARK, light rail and bus terminals. They should be cut from 31 to ZERO.

FliesWay2Much Nov 9, 2017 2:39 pm

As noted following previous reports, We, the People, will pay dearly for this.

FliesWay2Much Nov 9, 2017 3:03 pm

Congress' Answer -- Throw More Money at the TSA
 
Well, I guess the latest inspection worked like a charm:


The House committee’s top Democrat, Bennie G. Thompson (Miss.) noted in a statement after the meeting that the White House budget request would reduce TSA funding next year.

“After hearing from the TSA Administrator today, it is clear that TSA needs more resources to do its job properly,” Thompson said.

He said about $1.28 billion collected from airline ticket security fees is instead spent on deficit reduction.

“This money could be used to invest in new security technology and a fully staffed and effectively trained workforce that could put TSA on a stronger footing to prevent the next attack,” Thompson said. “Instead this Republican Administration and Republican Congress want to spend billions on an unnecessary border wall and over a trillion on tax cuts for corporations and the rich.”

sethb Nov 9, 2017 4:42 pm


Originally Posted by HawaiiTrvlr (Post 29039565)
A few weeks ago, I was at work at DIA. I went out of security to visit an office in the main terminal and went back to the A Concourse security point. TSA had closed off all but 1 access point and the screening line was long and growing. They even funneled employees and TSA Pre Check into the same long line. It turns out they brought out the explosive detection dog out and was walking up and down the line.

At MSP, they even funnel CLEAR past the dog.

Fortunately, they have a dog at only one end. (I won't say which end of the dog they are, everybody already knows that.)

sethb Nov 9, 2017 4:43 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 29039964)
I use to know a guy that was a canine handler. As I remember canines have a very short attention span which limits their work day to pretty short periods. I just don't see how TSA using canines is a long term solution to anything that TSA does.

They just stop all passengers from moving for a few minutes while they reboot the dog.

N830MH Nov 9, 2017 11:05 pm


Originally Posted by jb_in_ma (Post 29039575)
In order to professionalize, you need to Federalize :-(

Right! TSA is taking their own responsibility to screening all carryon bags and passengers, as well. You cannot afford to lose their jobs. That's big problems!


Originally Posted by jfunk138 (Post 29040627)
I wonder what the TSA's failure rate was before the current scope 'n grope regime went into place? We didn't hear much about it back in those days.

Their attempts at increasing security produce the opposite effect.

This is very bad! They failed to screening the passengers' carryon bag. They should have to be screened all carryon bags. They could slip a gun, knives, boxcutters and a few other items, as well. TSA is not doing good jobs. They have to be improvement. They cannot be afford to lose their jobs. They have to do retraining in the classroom for 40 hours. You are taking own responsibilities to work for TSA. They should listen to manager, supervisor and a few other, as well.

JamesBigglesworth Nov 10, 2017 12:12 am


Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much (Post 29041307)
The VIPR teams are the clerks who harass us at Metro, AMTARK, light rail and bus terminals. They should be cut from 31 to ZERO.

Now, now: some of them were/are actual sworn police officers. They're fun to annoy because you can do the "Are you detaining me" and probably cause game and it's even more effective and legally clear cut than it is when messing with the TSA airport rent-a-goon.

KDS Nov 10, 2017 5:49 am


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 29039964)
"Rep. Mike Rogers went as far as to tell TSA Administrator David Pekoske, "This agency that you run is broken badly and it needs your attention.""

A sentiment that has been repeatedly stated for years by many posters on FT.

Rep. Rogers' statement makes an assumption that the TSA was working correctly at one point, and now is broken. In my opinion, it's never worked correctly, but it really went downhill after October 2010 when the scanners were introduced. It's just become more broken.

jb_in_ma Nov 10, 2017 6:12 am

The desired outcome has been achieved. There have been no further terrowist attack on planes in the US and planes aren't falling out of the sky every day. Why should additional funding be required, right?

FliesWay2Much Nov 10, 2017 7:46 am


Originally Posted by JamesBigglesworth (Post 29043071)
Now, now: some of them were/are actual sworn police officers. They're fun to annoy because you can do the "Are you detaining me" and probably cause game and it's even more effective and legally clear cut than it is when messing with the TSA airport rent-a-goon.

... as they earn overtime pay at our expense... :(

MacLeanBarrier Nov 10, 2017 10:42 am

TSA Office of Inspection Criminal Investigators are now probably trying to find this "unnamed source":


When ABC News asked the source if the failure rate was 80 percent, the response was, "You are in the ballpark."


http://abcnews.go.com/US/tsa-fails-t...ry?id=51022188

petaluma1 Nov 10, 2017 11:04 am


Originally Posted by MacLeanBarrier (Post 29044776)
TSA Office of Inspection Criminal Investigators are now probably trying to find this "unnamed source":



http://abcnews.go.com/US/tsa-fails-t...ry?id=51022188

Why? The hearings were public not private. I'd read that the committee felt the results should be made public because they were so bad that the public deserved to know.

chollie Nov 10, 2017 1:21 pm


Originally Posted by petaluma1 (Post 29044861)
Why? The hearings were public not private. I'd read that the committee felt the results should be made public because they were so bad that the public deserved to know.

I think the point is that TSA could (and would) go after someone for 'leaking' the public hearings. All TSA has to do is retroactively reclassify the information revealed at the hearings as SSI or whatever.

I thought it was most interesting that they found 'vulnerabilities' associated with screener performance, equipment and procedures. That doesn't sound like they are doing a whole lot right, even after everyone enjoyed a two-week vacay at the ''academy".

If they aren't using or maintaining the equipment properly, why should the taxpayers fork out $$$ for expensive new unproven 3D technology? Are we going to send everyone back to the 'academy' for another two-week vacay to train them on the new machines when they've failed to master the current equipment?

petaluma1 Nov 10, 2017 1:59 pm


Originally Posted by chollie (Post 29045410)
I think the point is that TSA could (and would) go after someone for 'leaking' the public hearings. All TSA has to do is retroactively reclassify the information revealed at the hearings as SSI or whatever.

I thought it was most interesting that they found 'vulnerabilities' associated with screener performance, equipment and procedures. That doesn't sound like they are doing a whole lot right, even after everyone enjoyed a two-week vacay at the ''academy".

If they aren't using or maintaining the equipment properly, why should the taxpayers fork out $$$ for expensive new unproven 3D technology? Are we going to send everyone back to the 'academy' for another two-week vacay to train them on the new machines when they've failed to master the current equipment?

How can something that is public be leaked?


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