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N830MH Dec 6, 16 7:29 pm

New Evolv Technology
 
http://evolvtechnology.com/security-...lty-screening/

You guys didn't know about that. It's brand new. Manchester (MHT) is the first one to install new Evolv Technology. Soon, they will install more at US airports.

TWA884 Dec 6, 16 9:43 pm

MIT Technology Review:
AI Body Scanners Could Solve the Worst Thing About Airports

Excerpt

The most annoying thing about airports is going through security. But a startup called Evolv Technology is getting set to begin public tests of a new AI-powered body scanner, which it claims will allow people to saunter through checkpoints without breaking stride or emptying their pockets.

Evolv has built its scanner using the same millimeter-wave imaging frequencies as existing (and often controversial) full-body scanners. But instead of having someone stand still in a circular booth, the company scans its radar beams up and down people as they walk, measuring how the waves scatter off them.

The data isnít used to create an image like those normally shown to security staff. Instead, itís processed by a machine-learning algorithm thatís been trained to spot dangerous items like explosives and weapons. If the system thinks itís spotted something, a member of security staff is alerted to perform a more detailed check.

GUWonder Dec 7, 16 2:41 am


Originally Posted by TWA884 (Post 27575931)

Inspired by the movie Total Recall.

Boggie Dog Dec 7, 16 7:28 am

If TSA gets their hands on something like this I'm confident that they will find a way to screw it up. Extra ID checks, more squiggly markings on boarding passes, or the Super Secret BDO Interrogators.

guflyer Dec 7, 16 10:54 am

This worries me. Currently, at many airports (such as EWR on Monday morning), they let everyone go through the WTMD when the body scanner would have been way to slow. I am concerned that this new device could end this practice. Also, it could be used in other areas or even stealthily.

Additionally, it concerns me that the article says that this is going to be tested first at train stations in Washington, DC and Los Angeles. Does this mean that body scanners are going to be part of the plan for train stations now?

Boggie Dog Dec 7, 16 11:19 am


Originally Posted by guflyer (Post 27578203)
This worries me. Currently, at many airports (such as EWR on Monday morning), they let everyone go through the WTMD when the body scanner would have been way to slow. I am concerned that this new device could end this practice. Also, it could be used in other areas or even stealthily.

I suspect, but have no evidence, that TSA would scrap WTMD's at the first opportunity should a newer Whole Body scanner come along that has throughput similar to the WTMD.

Guess the future will hold the answer.

TWA884 Dec 7, 16 11:23 am


Originally Posted by guflyer (Post 27578203)
Additionally, it concerns me that the article says that this is going to be tested first at train stations in Washington, DC and Los Angeles. Does this mean that body scanners are going to be part of the plan for train stations now?

According to The Guardian:

<snip>

According to documents filed with the US Federal Communications Commission (FCC), Boston-based Evolv Technology is planning to test its system at Union Station in Washington DC, in Los Angeles’s Union Station metro and at Denver international airport.

<snip>

“Transportation is a very soft and attractive target,” said Alex Wiggins, the executive in charge of security for Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportation Authority. “Given the recent large-scale attacks at transit facilities in Europe, we need to see if there is technology that can screen large number of peoples and focus in on weapons and explosives.”

The three locations named in Evolv’s FCC application process upwards of 300,000 people every day, although Denver airport said its pilot project with Evolv had yet to be finalised. The test in LA is due to run in November for three or four days, and will involve thousands of members of the public. “We want to see how finely these [scanners] can be tuned, and what size of weapons and explosives they can detect,” says Wiggins.

<snip>

GUWonder Dec 7, 16 12:03 pm


Originally Posted by guflyer (Post 27578203)
This worries me. Currently, at many airports (such as EWR on Monday morning), they let everyone go through the WTMD when the body scanner would have been way to slow. I am concerned that this new device could end this practice. Also, it could be used in other areas or even stealthily.

Additionally, it concerns me that the article says that this is going to be tested first at train stations in Washington, DC and Los Angeles. Does this mean that body scanners are going to be part of the plan for train stations now?

They may end up creating worse bottlenecks of sorts at the stations, but those shouldn't be much worse than they are at stores in terms of bottlenecking itself. The key difference perhaps may be that more innocent, unarmed people end up shot by police or other "security forces" due to more "alarms" and more "alarmed" armed governmental personnel around to react to alarms. Other than that, such an approach may able to be as unintrusive as those shoplifting alarm gates at stores.

FliesWay2Much Dec 7, 16 6:11 pm

Look Who's on the Advisory Board...
 
http://evolvtechnology.com/about-us/

There's a couple of other former TSA and DHS dweebs as well.

yandosan Dec 7, 16 7:45 pm

I am always skeptical about Brave New Algorithms that
are going to spot the bad guys or differentiate harmless weapons from deadly ones. Remember the 911 attackers only had box cutters and look what they did to NYC.
This sound more like Artificial Stupidity to me.

guflyer Dec 7, 16 9:04 pm

Is there any concern regarding the radiation from these scanners?

Boggie Dog Dec 7, 16 9:24 pm


Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much (Post 27580309)
http://evolvtechnology.com/about-us/

There's a couple of other former TSA and DHS dweebs as well.

Pistole being part of this gives me every confidence that they will fail.

Boggie Dog Dec 7, 16 9:27 pm


Originally Posted by guflyer (Post 27580975)
Is there any concern regarding the radiation from these scanners?

MMW is non-ionizing so should be no concern.

DeafBlonde Dec 8, 16 1:57 pm


Originally Posted by guflyer (Post 27580975)
Is there any concern regarding the radiation from these scanners?

I agree that there should be no radiation concerns, but if this technology is implemented, I bet we will soon see threads appear on TSS/Checkpoints on "What not to keep in your pockets..." or "What not to wear..." in order to keep from getting shaken down because the machines throw out false positives.

Pesky Monkey Dec 8, 16 6:05 pm

It's millimeter wave with some facial recognition and computer algorithms. They claim "very low false positives".

Fail.


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