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nachtnebel Jul 27, 2016 2:47 pm

CBP Settles Cavity Search Case
 
From AP:


U.S. Customs and Border Protection agreed to pay $475,000 to a New Mexico woman who accused agents of forcing her to undergo body cavity probes and then got charged for the exams, civil liberties advocates said Thursday.

The settlement in the case, which drew national attention three years ago, also will require new training for hundreds of customs officers, American Civil Liberties Union affiliates in Texas and New Mexico said.
I'm not sure why the agents need to be retrained, given the insistence of CBP that they were not conceding any fault:

"The settlement should not be taken as an admission of liability or fault. The settlement was entered into by both parties in order to compromise on disputed claims and avoid the expenses of further litigation," the U.S. Customs & Border Protection said in a statement.

VelvetJones Jul 27, 2016 5:08 pm

It's truly amazing when there is a settlement this large and some government henchmen can stand there in front of a podium and claim they did nothing wrong. Yes, because the government always pays out nearly a half a million dollars when they did nothing wrong. This kind of thing will keep happening until everyone who was involved is sentenced to length jail sentences.

jkhuggins Jul 27, 2016 5:32 pm

It's not anything unique to government employees. Lawsuits between private parties often result in these sort of settlements in which neither side admits fault but one pays a substantial settlement. The usual rationalization is "well, it's cheaper than paying the lawyers".

As for the retraining when no fault was admitted ... well, TSA employees are continually refreshing their training, right? :)

yandosan Jul 27, 2016 6:07 pm

So, what's the fallout?
Customs cannot do cavity searches anymore?
Or only in special circumstances?

nachtnebel Jul 27, 2016 6:21 pm


Originally Posted by yandosan (Post 26978421)
So, what's the fallout?
Customs cannot do cavity searches anymore?
Or only in special circumstances?

Not sure. It would be interesting to see what the retraining consists of.

But if I were running a hospital, I wouldn't allow any such searches without a warrant, even if the federals didn't think they needed one. That was a one million dollar mistake for University Med Center.

nachtnebel Jul 27, 2016 6:28 pm

From the news accounts at the time the woman sued, apparently CBP policy requires both a supervisor's approval and either consent or a court order, for both cavity searches and x-rays.

One has to wonder about the mental capacity of an agent who would do this without either of the above. That is something re-training can't really address.

Boggie Dog Jul 27, 2016 9:03 pm


Originally Posted by VelvetJones (Post 26978162)
It's truly amazing when there is a settlement this large and some government henchmen can stand there in front of a podium and claim they did nothing wrong. Yes, because the government always pays out nearly a half a million dollars when they did nothing wrong. This kind of thing will keep happening until everyone who was involved is sentenced to length jail sentences.

What cost does government accrue by going to trial? The government lawyers are federal employees paid if they just sit in their office. Government didn't move forward because they would have been found in the wrong.

VelvetJones Jul 28, 2016 5:45 pm


Originally Posted by nachtnebel (Post 26978501)
From the news accounts at the time the woman sued, apparently CBP policy requires both a supervisor's approval and either consent or a court order, for both cavity searches and x-rays.

One has to wonder about the mental capacity of an agent who would do this without either of the above. That is something re-training can't really address.

At least this was a border incident, where they do have more leeway(not that I support this behavior). Remember the mental midgets in New Mexico that cost their city and county $1.6 million dollar, all because they claimed the person "clinched" his butt when being harassed over a stop sign slow and go in a Walmart parking lot.

nachtnebel Jul 28, 2016 6:38 pm


Originally Posted by VelvetJones (Post 26983543)
At least this was a border incident, where they do have more leeway(not that I support this behavior). Remember the mental midgets in New Mexico that cost their city and county $1.6 million dollar, all because they claimed the person "clinched" his butt when being harassed over a stop sign slow and go in a Walmart parking lot.

The victim in that case, David Eckert, certainly clinched a big payout, to the tune of $1.6 million. There was a warrant granted by a rubber stamping judge, but unfortunately for the perps in this case, they had the cavity searches done in a neighboring county where that warrant was invalid.

Local medical centers in the county where the search warrant was issued refused to do the colonoscopy due to the involuntary nature of it, warrant or no warrant.

The cops who were behind this are still on the job, I believe.

Ari Jul 28, 2016 9:57 pm

For those who want to know more about the case from primary sources (instead of news articles), look here:

https://www.aclutx.org/en/press-rele...avity-searches

It looks like if any of the 110 hospitals do it again, they are really screwed.

nachtnebel Jul 29, 2016 10:53 am


Originally Posted by Ari (Post 26984629)
For those who want to know more about the case from primary sources (instead of news articles), look here:

https://www.aclutx.org/en/press-rele...avity-searches

It looks like if any of the 110 hospitals do it again, they are really screwed.

Thanks Ari. The ACLU deserves great credit for pressing this issue and obtaining this outcome. The ACLU's advisory-notices to the hospitals do a great job underlining the fact that medical personnel are under no obligation to perform such invasive seach EVEN IF THERE IS A WARRANT:


Your staff should know that CBP agents have no authority to compel healthcare professionals to assist in law enforcement searches.

...

Thus, even if CBP personnel insist that a person in their custody may be concealing contraband such as illegal drugs, healthcare professionals are under no obligation to comply with a request to conduct a search.

Even for persons in CBP custody, the healthcare professional retains the obligation to ensure that body cavity searches, X-rays, CT scans or similar procedures are for legitimate medical reasons and to adhere to the patient consent requirements appropriate for that procedure.

jkhuggins Jul 29, 2016 1:12 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 26979075)
What cost does government accrue by going to trial? The government lawyers are federal employees paid if they just sit in their office. Government didn't move forward because they would have been found in the wrong.

And if government employees weren't continually screwing up badly enough to require the use of government lawyers, maybe the government might be able to hire fewer of them ....

N830MH Jul 30, 2016 12:18 am


Originally Posted by Ari (Post 26984629)
For those who want to know more about the case from primary sources (instead of news articles), look here:

https://www.aclutx.org/en/press-rele...avity-searches

It looks like if any of the 110 hospitals do it again, they are really screwed.

Wow! Thanks for sharing this. CBP cannot have her strip search, cavity searches or anything else. No one! It's illegal. They're breaking the laws. Nobody who wants to get a strip search and that's not right. CBP had no rights to ask a strip search by those people. Strip search is banned. They aren't allowed to get her a strip search. The answer is no. Leave those people alone and they had respect that. It's her rights. She had it right to keep her privacy. You cannot asking her about illegal drugs or anything else.

jphripjah Jul 31, 2016 1:29 am

Strip searches are not banned and asking about illegal drugs isn't banned.

FliesWay2Much Aug 1, 2016 2:08 pm


Originally Posted by Ari (Post 26984629)
For those who want to know more about the case from primary sources (instead of news articles), look here:

https://www.aclutx.org/en/press-rele...avity-searches

It looks like if any of the 110 hospitals do it again, they are really screwed.

Did anyone else catch this blatant attempt at blackmail?


Having found no contraband, CBP agents offered Ms. Doe a choice to either sign a medical consent form or be billed for the cost of the searches. Ms. Doe refused to sign, and was later billed $5,488.51.


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