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Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much
(Post 26999648)
Did anyone else catch this blatant attempt at blackmail?
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Originally Posted by jphripjah
(Post 26992798)
Strip searches are not banned and asking about illegal drugs isn't banned.
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Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much
(Post 26999648)
Did anyone else catch this blatant attempt at blackmail?
Extortion to try to cover up their wrongdoing is quite common, though. |
Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel
(Post 27000842)
I see no blackmail.
Extortion to try to cover up their wrongdoing is quite common, though. |
Originally Posted by nachtnebel
(Post 26983743)
The victim in that case, David Eckert, certainly clinched a big payout, to the tune of $1.6 million. There was a warrant granted by a rubber stamping judge, but unfortunately for the perps in this case, they had the cavity searches done in a neighboring county where that warrant was invalid.
Local medical centers in the county where the search warrant was issued refused to do the colonoscopy due to the involuntary nature of it, warrant or no warrant. The cops who were behind this are still on the job, I believe. It's also disgusting to know that the medical personnel who assaulted Eckert are likely still licensed and employed. There was no medical justification for the procedures performed, nor did they make sense as a purely exploratory exercise. They assaulted the man repeatedly and watched for their own warped kicks. And got away with it. Is this really the first time these cops have done something like this? |
Originally Posted by chollie
(Post 27002655)
And got away with it. Is this really the first time these cops have done something like this? Extracting "consent" from targets in positions of duress is but another form of classic blackmail used by the powerful over the relatively powerless. And at the border, a lot more seems to be "allowed". |
Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 27000322)
Elements of the medical community's complicity in the abuse of people on behalf of government has shown itself yet again, this time being a case of it being done inside the US on behalf of CBP. Glad to see the involved medical community elements held accountable a bit for being involved in the harming of "patients".
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Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much
(Post 27003101)
If medical personnel willingly engage in this type of non-consensual and risky medical procedures every time a cops tells them to do it, one wonders why they object to participating in lethal injections? Profit, perhaps???
there is more widespread concern about medical professionals facilitating killing (of convicts) on behalf of governmental actors than there is about medical professionals otherwise violating the bodily integrity of "suspects" and perhaps even causing tissue and/or psychological damage. Rather disgusting what some people are capable of doing for even government behind color of professional activity, all the while even thinking it's being done "for the greater good" of some sort. CBP generally thinks cavity searches are a useful tool for law enforcement (i.e. "the greater good), and so these kind of outcomes are part of the scene. |
Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 27002010)
It's extortion and it's classic blackmail, this being a case of the target being told to pony up what CBP wanted or they won't be left alone in terms of having to pay in another way.
I see no blackmail in what was described. They were not threatening to reveal detrimental information. Rather, they were threatening adverse consequences for not waiving their rights. A threat to do bad things to you if you don't do what they want is extortion. |
Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel
(Post 27005577)
I think you have a problem with the terms.
I see no blackmail in what was described. They were not threatening to reveal detrimental information. Rather, they were threatening adverse consequences for not waiving their rights. A threat to do bad things to you if you don't do what they want is extortion. Blackmail classically doesn't have as a necessary condition that there be a threat of revelation of detrimental information in the absence of demanded specific performance. A threat of other detrimental action may be sufficient for blackmail to take place. |
Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 27007269)
I'm sure I have no problem with the terms. The etymological origin and historical use of the term blackmail have informed me rather well.
Blackmail classically doesn't have as a necessary condition that there be a threat of revelation of detrimental information in the absence of demanded specific performance. A threat of other detrimental action may be sufficient for blackmail to take place. |
Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel
(Post 27010418)
You're describing extortion.
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Of course all this depends upon the jurisdiction in which the offense occurs, in some venues they are truly synonymous - in others the specific predicates are (slightly) different. The most common (and commonly known) element of blackmail is the threat of releasing derogatory information but GUW is right, in many jurisdictions it is not the only one.
The IMPORTANT thing is that only in the most exceptionally rare circumstances are government employees held criminally liable for coercion. Coercion is a time-honored and tested tool in the law enforcement/prosecutorial toolkit - the most that ever happens is the evidence resulting from an illegal search are excluded at trial and the government's case falls apart. Possibly the bad actor might suffer some kind of adverse personnel action (such as a letter of reprimand, or a poor annual evaluation) that maybe stalls career advancement, but who knows....? Small consolation for the aggrieved citizen(s)...... |
Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much
(Post 27003101)
If medical personnel willingly engage in this type of non-consensual and risky medical procedures every time a cops tells them to do it, one wonders why they object to participating in lethal injections? Profit, perhaps???
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Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much
(Post 27003101)
If medical personnel willingly engage in this type of non-consensual and risky medical procedures every time a cops tells them to do it, one wonders why they object to participating in lethal injections? Profit, perhaps???
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