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Boggie Dog Jun 7, 2016 2:02 pm

TSA to undergo covert security tests this summer
 
This may rate its own thread but could certainly have a major impact on TSA Screening Wait Times and Lines.

http://thehill.com/policy/transporta...ts-this-summer


TSA to undergo covert security tests this summer



The inspector general of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is planning another round of covert security audits at airports around the country this summer as the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) also scrambles to alleviate massive security checkpoint lines.
Other bits of info in the article.

Neffenger has retrained all of TSA.
Managed Inclusion has ended.
TSA is in a better place.

How can government employees spout this kind of nonsense and retain an integrity clearance?

petaluma1 Jun 7, 2016 2:46 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 26744077)
This may rate its own thread but could certainly have a major impact on TSA Screening Wait Times and Lines.

http://thehill.com/policy/transporta...ts-this-summer





Other bits of info in the article.

Neffenger has retrained all of TSA.
Managed Inclusion has ended.
TSA is in a better place.

How can government employees spout this kind of nonsense and retain an integrity clearance?

Neffenger has retrained all of TSA in how to slow down the process. (I guess now it won't be necessary for all screeners to go to Georgia if they have been retrained.)

Managed Inclusion has NOT ended if TSA is still allowing people into Pre who haven't paid

If TSA is in a "better place" (isn't that often said of the dead who have suffered?) then why is the blog/Ask TSA on a real PR blitz?

FliesWay2Much Jun 7, 2016 2:55 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 26744077)
This may rate its own thread but could certainly have a major impact on TSA Screening Wait Times and Lines.

http://thehill.com/policy/transporta...ts-this-summer



We, the People, will pay dearly for this.

TWA884 Jun 7, 2016 3:07 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 26744077)
This may rate its own thread...

It does.

TWA884
Co-moderator, Travel Safety/Security

Boggie Dog Jun 7, 2016 4:29 pm

Is it really covert when the general timeframe is known?

chollie Jun 7, 2016 6:03 pm

Do you want them to 'pass' (bonuses all around) or do you want more of the nonsense we've had this past spring?

nachtnebel Jun 7, 2016 10:22 pm


Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much (Post 26744308)
We, the People, will pay dearly for this.

The TSA will pay a higher one. Although I will say, in :my last few flights these past months I've never seen better TSA behavior, in the airports I've used. Maybe I'm just lucky

Yoshi212 Jun 7, 2016 10:44 pm

Any time the TSA pays for anything it's the people paying one way or another. Either with taxes or liberties.


Originally Posted by nachtnebel (Post 26745982)
The TSA will pay a higher one. Although I will say, in :my last few flights these past months I've never seen better TSA behavior, in the airports I've used. Maybe I'm just lucky


gingersnaps Jun 7, 2016 11:23 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 26744077)
This may rate its own thread but could certainly have a major impact on TSA Screening Wait Times and Lines.

http://thehill.com/policy/transporta...ts-this-summer





Other bits of info in the article.

Neffenger has retrained all of TSA.
Managed Inclusion has ended.
TSA is in a better place.

How can government employees spout this kind of nonsense and retain an integrity clearance?


Good grief could thehill reporting be any worse? Here is the opening statement from a GOA report published Tuesday, June 7, 2016

Limiting the use of Managed Inclusion to airports that employ canine teams to detect explosives; and,
• Developing plans to test the security effectiveness of the Managed Inclusion process as an overall system–ensuring that the testing adheres to established design practices.

And from page 11 of the report:

"TSA documentation shows that TSA discontinued the use of Explosives Trace Detection (ETD) devices as a method used to conduct real time threat assessments and is now limiting the use of Managed Inclusion to airports that employed canine team to detect explosives."


Managed Inclusion continues, dogs have replaced the ETD machines.

petaluma1 Jun 8, 2016 8:19 am

Back to

ended the practice of randomly selecting passengers for expedited screening lanes,
According to TSA they never did "randomly" select passengers for Pre; pax were selected by alleged observation of their behaviors while standing in line - that's not random.

petaluma1 Jun 8, 2016 8:23 am


Originally Posted by nachtnebel (Post 26745982)
The TSA will pay a higher one. Although I will say, in :my last few flights these past months I've never seen better TSA behavior, in the airports I've used. Maybe I'm just lucky

There have been a few comments at AskTSA about improvement of screener behavior.

WillCAD Jun 8, 2016 3:43 pm


Originally Posted by petaluma1 (Post 26747563)
Back to

According to TSA they never did "randomly" select passengers for Pre; pax were selected by alleged observation of their behaviors while standing in line - that's not random.

TSA also shunts some handicapped pax to the PreCheck lines. I would imagine that it's done for TSA convenience, rather than pax convenience, but sometimes you gotta take what little crumbs you can get.

petaluma1 Jun 8, 2016 3:48 pm


Originally Posted by gingersnaps (Post 26746135)
Good grief could thehill reporting be any worse? Here is the opening statement from a GOA report published Tuesday, June 7, 2016

Limiting the use of Managed Inclusion to airports that employ canine teams to detect explosives; and,
• Developing plans to test the security effectiveness of the Managed Inclusion process as an overall system–ensuring that the testing adheres to established design practices.

And from page 11 of the report:

"TSA documentation shows that TSA discontinued the use of Explosives Trace Detection (ETD) devices as a method used to conduct real time threat assessments and is now limiting the use of Managed Inclusion to airports that employed canine team to detect explosives."


Managed Inclusion continues, dogs have replaced the ETD machines.

If that is true, then everyone who passes the sniff test should be allowed into the PreCheck line and there is absolutely no evidence that this is happening.

chollie Jun 8, 2016 4:03 pm

I'd like to see the results of the tests in Pre lanes vs. non-Pre lanes.

For that matter, I'd like to see results from the same airport, first during regular practices, secondly, with all TSO cellphone use and private conversation prohibited.

I'm betting that screeners who are not distracted by their cellphones or personal conversations (whether they are engaging in them or trying to tune them out to focus on the task at hand) would perform better.

I'd be ticked if I walked into Starbucks and the barista was trying to play on his cellphone and engage in uninterrupted personal conversation while processing my order. I expect no less when aviation security and my life are supposedly at stake.

I read a response to a complaint about the 'thousands standing around' playing with their cellphones and engaging in distracting personal conversations. The (dishonest) reply was that these are all TSOs on break.

If they're on break, get out of the checkpoint area. Stop distracting the TSOs who are actually working (as well as the BDOs, LTSOs and STSOs who are not).

Of course, when I'm standing waiting for the go-ahead at the NoS because the TSO is finishing a personal conversation or I'm waiting for the TDC to finish something on his cellphone, it's perfectly clear the TSO is not on break.

petaluma1 Jun 8, 2016 4:28 pm


Originally Posted by chollie (Post 26749897)
I'd like to see the results of the tests in Pre lanes vs. non-Pre lanes.

For that matter, I'd like to see results from the same airport, first during regular practices, secondly, with all TSO cellphone use and private conversation prohibited.

I'm betting that screeners who are not distracted by their cellphones or personal conversations (whether they are engaging in them or trying to tune them out to focus on the task at hand) would perform better.

I'd be ticked if I walked into Starbucks and the barista was trying to play on his cellphone and engage in uninterrupted personal conversation while processing my order. I expect no less when aviation security and my life are supposedly at stake.

I read a response to a complaint about the 'thousands standing around' playing with their cellphones and engaging in distracting personal conversations. The (dishonest) reply was that these are all TSOs on break.

If they're on break, get out of the checkpoint area. Stop distracting the TSOs who are actually working (as well as the BDOs, LTSOs and STSOs who are not).

Of course, when I'm standing waiting for the go-ahead at the NoS because the TSO is finishing a personal conversation or I'm waiting for the TDC to finish something on his cellphone, it's perfectly clear the TSO is not on break.

If you read the same comment I read, the reponse from AskTSA was that the screeners were on break, OJT, between shifts "or on a security assignment that we don't disclose to the public."


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