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WillCAD May 1, 2016 1:02 pm


Originally Posted by petaluma1 (Post 26560706)
This sounds to me as if TSA was testing the dog. Otherwise, why ETD all the passengers? Perhaps I am wrong, but sniffer dogs don't stand in place to do their job. Part of the "fun" of the job for the dog is moving, going to the target rather than having the target come to the dog.

The penalty box was about 4' by 15', large enough that the dog was constantly in motion, walking around the edge of the box, sniffing travelers as they filed past.


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 26560709)
I fail to see the need for both Explosive Sniffer Dog and Explosive Trace Portal. Seems to be a duplication of effort.

Not ETD portals, ETD swab machines.

I do see it as justified. Dogs are not 100% accurate. ETD tests are not 100% accurate. Using both decreases the possibility of missing the scent.

However, in this case it was done with TSA's typical wasteful overkill, by deploying a dozen ETD machines, each with a TSO, and swabbing every single traveler who passed through the line. With the dog there to back it up, I think it's only necessary to swab random travelers, about every 5 or 10 people, perhaps. But I see this overkill as a sign that the MCO FSD obviously had no faith in those new-fangled K9 thingies.


Originally Posted by BSBD (Post 26560994)
"TSA" and "duplication of effort" go hand-in-hand. Just one example: automated sterile area exit doors with alarms and mechanisms that prevent pax from entering through the exit, yet they are all manned by a TSO.

Again, no faith by the local FSD in the technology that he spent so much (of our) money installing. "What if it doesn't work?" they always ask. Well, sure tech breaks down, but if you second-guess every machine in the universe, we'd still have torches in every building, in case those new-fangled electric light thingies suddenly stop working. It's all magical voodoo, you know, and magic makes up it's own mind about when to work and when not to!

Boggie Dog May 1, 2016 2:19 pm

I saw that I wrote ETP and had intended to say ETD. Just didn't go back and correct myself. If TSA could have managed the ETP better there would be no need for passenger screening canines.

petaluma1 May 1, 2016 2:24 pm


Originally Posted by WillCAD (Post 26561901)
The penalty box was about 4' by 15', large enough that the dog was constantly in motion, walking around the edge of the box, sniffing travelers as they filed past.

60 sq.ft. don't cut it for the poor dog.



However, in this case it was done with TSA's typical wasteful overkill, by deploying a dozen ETD machines, each with a TSO, and swabbing every single traveler who passed through the line. With the dog there to back it up, I think it's only necessary to swab random travelers, about every 5 or 10 people, perhaps. But I see this overkill as a sign that the MCO FSD obviously had no faith in those new-fangled K9 thingies.
Yes, this sounds like a typical TSA experiment gone wild. Further, I don't see the necessity to swab even every 10th person. 1 in 20 should suffice.

gingersnaps May 12, 2016 9:44 am

Examining Management Practices and Misconduct at TSA: Part II

Neffenger and Roth are testifying. Disappointedly Neffenger defends Kelly Hogan. Kelly Hogan is the TSA employee who received bonuses despite being responsible for the 95% failure rate of TSA.

Neffenger claims:
* have to put an end to retaliatory reassignments
* have an open door policy for reporting misconduct

Boggie Dog May 12, 2016 11:32 am

I'm not convinced that TSA's senior managers have the capacity to understand what's wrong with TSA. An outside binding review is clearly needed.

gingersnaps May 12, 2016 11:49 am

An outside reveiw should happen


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