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Originally Posted by SDF_Traveler
(Post 26368784)
I was just at some of these airports in SE Asia over the past week and have experienced many others.
When you put an initial security checkpoint at the airport doors it creates a large bottleneck outside. Some airports handle this better than others and have found creative ways to reduce the bottlenecks, but you still get a bottleneck somewhere in the system -- especially at peak times. How about the ETD swab procedures they use in China as you near the check-in areas like at PVG - rope off 30, do 30 ETD swabs, release the group of 30. Again a bottleneck, but how about a more random variation of this? Would seem to be a better solution aside from "false-positives" on the ETD swabs (false positives in quotes as they are technically positive for the trace material assuming its functioning correctly). Just thoughts here, as I know there's no easy answers, but I suspect something may change after this in a knee-jerk reaction. There's also what Rome FCO has done with the high security Terminal 5 for USA departures but that creates problems of its own as well. SDF |
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Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much
(Post 26368539)
The stampede would include all of the clerks as well. Of course, anything landside isn't the TSA's fault -- just ask them.
Why the sarcasm or am I misreading your intent? Should TSA be responsible for public side/airport ticket counter incidents? Do you want TSA that far out from the Checkpoint? |
Originally Posted by gingersnaps
(Post 26370066)
Why the sarcasm or am I misreading your intent? Should TSA be responsible for public side/airport ticket counter incidents? Do you want TSA that far out from the Checkpoint?
I just hope that the securocrats -- not just at the EC level but also those at the national level -- don't go with a suggestion considered before by US DHS/TSA and done in some parts of the world even before DHS/TSA existed: mostly/only allowing ticketed passengers and airline/airport-approved employees to access the airport building's "public area" after showing ID/ticket info. |
Originally Posted by petaluma1
(Post 26368577)
The TSA is making passengers standing in line sitting ducks for this kind of an attack. Not that I believe that it will happen here, but one or two intelligent individuals could possibly carry something like this out at one of our airports.
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Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much
(Post 26368307)
From what I saw this morning, it looks like the bad guys blew up a check-in counter area? It's been almost ten years since I was last at BRU, so I couldn't tell for sure.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/22/europe...ons/index.html Here at home, how will the TSA retaliate? Under John Pistole TSA response to airport security was: TSA, leaders’ ... organizational behavior emphasized efficiency outcomes, creating pressures to expand the populations receiving expedited screening in TSA Pre-Check lanes, even if they had not enrolled in the program, and a pressure to clear passengers quickly, at the risk of not diligently resolving alarms If we believe Neffenger, he has changed this efficiency outcome, and clear passengers quickly, at the risk of not diligently resolving alarms attitude of TSA Leadership. While Neffenger announced the end of Managed Inclusion II, we know that Managed Inclusion I remains. We also know that TSA operates another program known as Real Time Threat Assessment. The only noticeable difference between Managed Inclusion II and Managed Inclusion I and RTTA is the use of bomb sniffing dogs instead of hand swabs. We must ask ourselves, does MI I or RTTA make us any safer? Chris Morran of the consumerist reported "TSA Just Decides Everyone In My Line Is Qualified For Expedited Screening" when Morran questioned the TSA about what happened he was told “TSA also utilizes these lanes during certain times for other low-risk passengers who are identified through a real-time threat assessment process,”. Morran goes onto to explain "a man who appeared to be a TSA supervisor stood and declared that my line and the one next to it are now PreCheck lanes." Here is a archived webpage from TSA about Managed Inclusion which informs "After the initial risk assessment by Passenger Screening Canines and Behavior Detection Officers as passengers move through the standard security checkpoint area." The safety of the traveling public is left entirely too dogs that can be fooled and those who are affectionately term "SPOTNIKS" here on Flyertalk. Most important of Morran's article is: There were no canines sniffing around the lines in question, no electronic mat with directional arrows. What’s described in above and in the below video is a process wherein a decision is made at the checkpoint about each passenger, but the situation I was part of involved a supervisor simply declaring that two lines were now PreCheck. For sake of argument, consider that Morran account is true a TSA Supervisor announces to entire general public "these lanes are now Precheck". What kind of security is found in announcing to the whole public where the least screening is occurring? Back in the days of hand swab Managed Inclusion, I heard TSA supervisor announce the percentage of individuals who should get their hands swabbed. As has been revealed recently, TSA will call for more dogs - this was reported as a solution for MSP wait times. So while Neffenger wants us to believe that TSA is now focused on security and not "efficiency outcomes" and that TSA is focused on diligent alarm resolution and not the speed of clearing passengers...nothing has changed in how TSA conducts itself. Dogs and spotniks used to reduce wait times...same song and dance different performer. |
Originally Posted by SDF_Traveler
(Post 26368784)
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There's also what Rome FCO has done with the high security Terminal 5 for USA departures but that creates problems of its own as well. |
Originally Posted by gingersnaps
(Post 26370233)
More likely with more managed inclusion. As has been discussed in this thread or other threads about Brussels, the bottle neck is an issue.
We must ask ourselves, does MI I or RTTA make us any safer? Chris Morran of the consumerist reported "TSA Just Decides Everyone In My Line Is Qualified For Expedited Screening" when Morran questioned the TSA about what happened he was told “TSA also utilizes these lanes during certain times for other low-risk passengers who are identified through a real-time threat assessment process,”. Morran goes onto to explain "a man who appeared to be a TSA supervisor stood and declared that my line and the one next to it are now PreCheck lanes." Here is a archived webpage from TSA about Managed Inclusion which informs "After the initial risk assessment by Passenger Screening Canines and Behavior Detection Officers as passengers move through the standard security checkpoint area." The safety of the traveling public is left entirely too dogs that can be fooled and those who are affectionately term "SPOTNIKS" here on Flyertalk. Most important of Morran's article is: There were no canines sniffing around the lines in question, no electronic mat with directional arrows. What’s described in above and in the below video is a process wherein a decision is made at the checkpoint about each passenger, but the situation I was part of involved a supervisor simply declaring that two lines were now PreCheck. For sake of argument, consider that Morran account is true a TSA Supervisor announces to entire general public "these lanes are now Precheck". What kind of security is found in announcing to the whole public where the least screening is occurring? Back in the days of hand swab Managed Inclusion, I heard TSA supervisor announce the percentage of individuals who should get their hands swabbed. . Awkward time for Neffenger. He's created massive slowdowns in airports around the country - enough to get on the nerves of even infrequent and first-time fliers. Events in BRU have just demonstrated how much this tactic of his is putting people at greater risk. I wonder if he's still going to extend the completely unanticipated (by TSA) 'spring break' slowdown into and throughout the summer. |
Originally Posted by coachrowsey
(Post 26370204)
I pray this NEVER happens here & something I never want to be right about, but I,m shocked everyday it doesn't. And as you said TSA imo is a huge reason for this.
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Does anyone reading this thread have experiences regarding the check in wait (no status line) and TSA no status line (non Priority, non Pre-check) with AA at LAX T4 since the BRU bombing?
I asked in the AA forum with no responses so I thought I'd try it here? |
Originally Posted by TrojanHorse
(Post 26374069)
Does anyone reading this thread have experiences regarding the check in wait (no status line) and TSA no status line (non Priority, non Pre-check) with AA at LAX T4 since the BRU bombing?
I asked in the AA forum with no responses so I thought I'd try it here? |
And...it's started: BPD "securing" downtown subway station
Exited Boston's "Government Center" stop (one of the main downtown stops) to see two cops there, in military gear and everything, holding automatic weapons and waiting for the bad guys. Others were milling around outside. One of my friends said it looked like they were preparing for an alien invasion.
So what's my bigger fear, that the terrorists are going to invade our recently renovated subway stop, or that the cops will decide to take aim at, well, anything and end up picking off a couple of commuters. Bottom line: Don't jump the turnstiles at Government Center. Mike |
Maybe they are paranoid about Anime Boston being on this weekend...
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Have they decided to buy some more advanced proximity sensors or other means to try to detect TATP/TCAP/DADP/HMTD and do this at entry points into the airports?
It's not like the TSA and lobbyists are beyond trying to exploit crimes to get more of what they want inside the US and beyond. |
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