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jkhuggins Mar 8, 2016 11:00 am


Neffenger said the TSA will use more overtime to boost staffing, speed up training of new screeners, deploy more dog teams that augment human workers and try new techniques and wait-line configurations to speed the process.
Maybe I'm dense, but ... how do dog teams speed up screening? It would seem to be just the opposite ...

BSBD Mar 8, 2016 11:14 am


Originally Posted by jkhuggins (Post 26302680)
Maybe I'm dense, but ... how do dog teams speed up screening? It would seem to be just the opposite ...

If you get sniffed by a TSA dog, you get free PreCheck.

Yes, seriously.

TWA884 Mar 10, 2016 1:41 pm

From NPR:
Ready For Fun? First Take Off Your Shoes And Wait In Long Airport Lines

Excerpts

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Both the TSA and Airlines For America (A4A), an industry trade group, say travelers should brace for long waits in epic lines. "It's a very serious concern," A4A Senior Vice President Sharon Pinkerton said on a conference call with journalists Wednesday.
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Pinkerton says TSA needs more screeners. "The staffing is not adequate and it needs to be," she said. In addition, TSA equipment should be better maintained to avoid breakdowns, she said.

Earlier this week, the TSA released a statement saying it "expects passenger volumes to drastically increase throughout the month of March as spring breakers take to the skies and throughout the summer."
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At a Senate hearing last week, TSA Administrator Peter Neffenger said his agency needs more funding to "right-size and appropriately resource TSA and halt further reductions in officer staffing."

The Obama administration is asking Congress to support 42,848 officers by boosting TSA's fiscal 2017 budget to $3 billion, which would be $26.9 million more than fiscal 2016. Currently, TSA has roughly 41,000 officers on duty.
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FliesWay2Much Mar 10, 2016 2:05 pm

Long Lines - Is the TSA's Excuse of Increased Passenger Volume Real?
 
I think I know the answer already, but I'm hoping there are some airline industry "insiders" here on TS&S who can comment.

Neffy and his propaganda machine (PV and the Twitter sites) are blaming "increased passenger volume" for the long lines. Like many of you, I think this claim is complete BS, especially since I have never seen this assertion sourced.

All I know is that I'm flying in smaller aircraft with less choices to get from Point A to Point B. This isn't news. My observation is that downsizing happened after many people got fed up with the TSA and either stopped flying or flew considerably less. It got worse when the economy went in the tank in about 2008. I really can't believe that the amount of people entering a TSA checkpoint and getting on an airplane has increased at all. Fares don't appear to be going down, either.

Is there real data out there to support or refute the TSA's claim???

chollie Mar 10, 2016 2:11 pm


Originally Posted by BSBD (Post 26302758)
If you get sniffed by a TSA dog, you get free PreCheck.

Yes, seriously.

I get a TSA nose (and paws) in my crotch every time I get my grope.

BSBD Mar 10, 2016 3:03 pm

Here's a link to a release from Airlines For America, which is the official US airlines industry association. It's dated yesterday. It clearly states that the industry expects this Spring to have the most commercial air travelers ever.

"Airlines for America (A4A), the industry trade organization for the leading U.S. airlines, today reviewed 2015 results for U.S. passenger airlines and released its travel forecast, which projects spring 2016 air travel to rise to the highest level ever, with passenger volumes exceeding 2015’s peak by 3 percent. Approximately 140 million passengers (2.3 million per day) are expected to fly on U.S. airlines during March and April compared to 136.2 million passengers in 2015 – a 63,000 passengers-per-day increase. This includes more than 17 million travelers (285,000 per day) on international flights."

http://airlines.org/news/airlines-fo...record-levels/

chucko Mar 10, 2016 3:12 pm

It's only one airport, but SeaTac saw a 12.9% increase in traffic in 2015 (and a 7.7% increase the year before):

http://mynorthwest.com/174/2903390/S...-again-in-2015

Boggie Dog Mar 10, 2016 3:25 pm

Yes it's a real excuse, but just that, an excuse. The core issue is TSA's incompetence to manage known workloads.

Himeno Mar 10, 2016 7:30 pm

Airlines issue their flight schedules in most cases months ahead of time. There is no reason for TSA not to know how many flights are using each airport at a given time and to set staffing levels according.

Outside of major, sudden schedule changes, there is no reason for TSA not to be able to handle a known amount of passenger flow.

N830MH Mar 10, 2016 10:45 pm


Originally Posted by TWA884 (Post 26314433)

Well, what happened now? How much longer is that? Those passengers cannot wait for any much longer. TSA must hired more screeners and they needs more helps. You cannot wait forever. Stepped it up! Wake up! Smell the coffee!

11277m Mar 11, 2016 1:59 am

Isn't it the case that every passenger is required to pay a fee for TSA as part of their ticket price?

Meaning that when the number of passengers increases, so does the TSA income to pay for the "service".

My annoyance stems from having to stand in line waiting for a service I have already paid for.

Boggie Dog Mar 11, 2016 5:14 am


Originally Posted by N830MH (Post 26316522)
Well, what happened now? How much longer is that? Those passengers cannot wait for any much longer. TSA must hired more screeners and they needs more helps. You cannot wait forever. Stepped it up! Wake up! Smell the coffee!

It's not a matter of needing more employees but using those on hand effectively.

ShortDog Mar 11, 2016 6:24 am


Originally Posted by 11277m (Post 26316946)
isn't it the case that every passenger is required to pay a fee for tsa as part of their ticket price?

+1


Originally Posted by 11277m (Post 26316946)
meaning that when the number of passengers increases, so does the tsa income to pay for the "service".

+2


Originally Posted by 11277m (Post 26316946)
my annoyance stems from having to stand in line waiting for a service i have already paid for.

+3

eyecue Mar 11, 2016 7:49 am


Originally Posted by Himeno (Post 26315943)
Airlines issue their flight schedules in most cases months ahead of time. There is no reason for TSA not to know how many flights are using each airport at a given time and to set staffing levels according.

Outside of major, sudden schedule changes, there is no reason for TSA not to be able to handle a known amount of passenger flow.

I have seen what you are talking about, TSA gets local passenger load estimates for each day and the next day the actual numbers come out. There is a discrepancy in numbers by as much as 5000 to 7000 on some days. The actual load is usually higher than the estimates. Part of the reason is the airlines give a number that is a percentage of anticipated volume. Then you throw in last minute bookings and things get really skewed.

KRSW Mar 11, 2016 8:34 am


Originally Posted by chucko (Post 26314894)
It's only one airport, but SeaTac saw a 12.9% increase in traffic in 2015 (and a 7.7% increase the year before)

That may be, but I don't think it's only a 7.7%-12.9% increase in delays at the TSA checkpoints that we're seeing.


Originally Posted by eyecue (Post 26317773)
TSA gets local passenger load estimates for each day and the next day the actual numbers come out. There is a discrepancy in numbers by as much as 5000 to 7000 on some days. The actual load is usually higher than the estimates.

Um... HOW are they off by that much? If I had to do that job, with no other info in front of me, I'd go pull the schedule for all of the outbound flights for the airport, noting which type of aircraft they're using (this is part of the flight plans..even Expedia lists it). Then wander over to SeatGuru or similar site and count seats. Throw it in Excel, multiply, add a little extra as a fudge factor in case something comes up and you're done.

I've definitely seen TSA's scheduling/staffing incompetence many times when flying out of a NE airport after the airfield's been shut down for a day or so due to snow. Sunday morning, 1 crew/employee lane open, 1 pax lane open. 500+ pax trying to get through. Plenty of people Standing Around, but they refused to open more lanes.

Good thing TSA isn't in charge of our electrical grid. Can you imaging coming home every evening to find no power because the power co misjudged how much capacity they'd need...every day?


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