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Originally Posted by eyecue
(Post 26213998)
The same Jimmie Oxley that now heads DHS explosives research dept.??
DoD has centers of excellence for education in technology fields as well. Doesn't mean that they're part of DoD. |
Originally Posted by eyecue
(Post 26213998)
The same Jimmie Oxley that now heads DHS explosives research dept.??
Dr. Jimmie Carol Oxley is Professor of Chemistry at the University of Rhode Island (URI), co-Director of the Forensic Science Partnership of URI and team-lead and former Director of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Center of Excellence (CoE) in Explosive Detection, Mitigation, and Response |
Originally Posted by eyecue
(Post 26212840)
I have seen an EOD specialist take a liquid in a plastic bottle and stand in front of 40 people and shake the bottle. Then set it inside an airplane fuselage and set it off and destroy the whole side of the plane. Wanna know what the liquid is? Sorry that is SSI.
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Originally Posted by eyecue
(Post 26212840)
I have seen an EOD specialist take a liquid in a plastic bottle and stand in front of 40 people and shake the bottle. Then set it inside an airplane fuselage and set it off and destroy the whole side of the plane. Wanna know what the liquid is? Sorry that is SSI.
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Originally Posted by BSBD
(Post 26180850)
Which countries are those?
Originally Posted by Kremmen
(Post 26181676)
I've never looked to see which ones follow the US silliness. Most other countries I travel domestically in have no liquids limits in that context. Japan, Malaysia, Australia and New Zealand for example. However (possibly like most travellers) I usually just carry the same bag of liquids with me all the time anyhow, so I generally don't need to care and may not notice. I wonder if there's a list somewhere?
Originally Posted by Himeno
(Post 26182286)
A number of checkpoints in Japan have bottle scanners which they will put drink bottles/cans into for scanning. No need to open the bottle.
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I've finally reached a stipulation w/ the TSA on the court's order that they pay my costs of suing them for refusing to answer my Rehabilitation Act greivances.
So I'll get a $600 check from the government at some point. Will have to frame it as a memento of my first federal case decided on the merits. That's actual costs only, alas. I don't get a cent for my time, because SCOTUS (in Kay v Ehrler) said Congress meant the "Equal Access to Justice Act" to not let pro se plaintiffs get paid for their work… even if we win against an agency violating the law. Yay, "justice". Maybe the TSA will obey the APA next time. Maybe not. But if not, at least next time, it'll be easier to sue them with a quick win. (This case was filed in Nov. 2014…) |
Originally Posted by saizai
(Post 26611580)
I've finally reached a stipulation w/ the TSA on the court's order that they pay my costs of suing them for refusing to answer my Rehabilitation Act greivances.
So I'll get a $600 check from the government at some point. Will have to frame it as a memento of my first federal case decided on the merits. That's actual costs only, alas. I don't get a cent for my time, because SCOTUS (in Kay v Ehrler) said Congress meant the "Equal Access to Justice Act" to not let pro se plaintiffs get paid for their work… even if we win against an agency violating the law. Yay, "justice". Maybe the TSA will obey the APA next time. Maybe not. But if not, at least next time, it'll be easier to sue them with a quick win. (This case was filed in Nov. 2014…) |
Originally Posted by eyecue
(Post 26612459)
So is that the end of it or is there more to come
There's still the others: FOIA/PA, 49 USC § 46110 (re TSA policies), SFO (medical liquids incident), BOS (mutism, BDOs & cop incident), SEA (AIT incident), and collaterals about IFP privacy. And another FOIA suit coming up (once I finish drafting the complaint) to cover all the stuff since I filed the 1st FOIA suit. |
1. I finally got the check from DOJ for winning my Rehab Act lawsuit against TSA (which was just to make them respond to my complaint in the first place; they took >2.5y to do so and gave no justification other than "you can't make us"; the judge said "yes I can"). :D
Alas, it only covers my actual costs — court filing fee, printing, copying, mailing, etc. I don't get a cent for my time, though I've set precedent that'll hopefully benefit many others in the future. <deleted by moderator> 2. In my FOIA case against the TSA, I recently received TSA's MSJ and Vaughn declarations, defending thousands of pages of withholdings on a variety of grounds. I received almost 900 pages of documents so far, most of which have substantial withholdings. There are another ~3-5k pages withheld. These are, for the most part, records of TSA's policies and procedures, as well as records documenting various abuses against me and others. I need to compile a giant spreadsheet of all the deficiencies, inconsistencies, missing documents, BS exemptions, etc. There are also some thousands more pages of records that I know exist because they are referenced in stuff I got and/or in filings of administrative record in other cases. These need to be catalogued too, so that I can document the inadequacy of search. Unlike TSA, I don't have a whole team working on it for months. I have just me — and my deadline is August 8. Here's what I have so far (with massive redactions I now need to fight). To get a sense of what they're withholding — and why it's important — see their MSJ docs: I could use a lot of help; contact me privately if you'd be willing to assist with: 1. Going through this massive set of documents, so that I can prepare an opposition and cross-motion to help get TSA's policies, procedures, etc made fully public. It doesn't require any special legal skill — just common sense and helping fill out a giant spreadsheet. I just have too many documents to go through on my own; TSA needed a whole team and months, I have no team, and one month left. So I could use your help. 2. Analyzing and publishing. I don't want to release documents without accompanying analysis, which is why most of what I have is not yet public. Even with the redactions, there's a lot of interesting material. 3. Info on TSA policy changes from people who work for TSA or have done so before — under condition of anonymity & journalistic source protection. Please use an anonymous account, PGP, and/or an IM service that supports OTR. I can also give you a phone number that supports secure messaging via Signal. |
Getting discovery vs TSA re 3.4oz / medical liquids policy; tips & info wanted
My litigation against TSA is progressing, slowly but surely, on multiple fronts.
In particular, my civil suit about the SFO incident (among others) has gotten past the first major hurdles (motions to dismiss & motions for summary judgment). That lawsuit is aimed at abolishing the 3-1-1 / 3.4oz / "medical liquids" rule, and replacing it with a simple rule: a) TSA must screen everything presented for screening, if they have the technical capability to do so; and b) they must allow you to take with you anything that passes screening by machine. No size limits (except the actual physical limits of the screening machines), no limitation to "medical" items, no requirement to declare them "medical" in the first place, and no inquisition about where you bought your medical liquids or why you need it, no asking for prescriptions. The suit has survived their attempts to block me, leaving in place my Rehabilitation Act injunction claim against TSA (via DHS Secretary Nielsen) and multiple tort & ADA claims against TSA's SFO screening contractor Covenant & its employees. They've filed Answers, which means it's now "at issue". And that means one big thing: I finally get discovery! :D I can demand that Covenant, TSA, or relevant third parties produce documents, admit or deny things (including document authenticity), answer questions, and have people submit to depositions under oath. If you have any suggestions for what might be fruitful targets for discovery into a) liquids / 3-1-1 / medical policies; b) TSA's handling of disabilities in general; c) SPOT/BDA, and/or d) obstruction of investigations into complaints against TSA (especially Rehab Act or civil rights complaints), … please contact me privately. If you have any documents or other files that might be useful to me, that page also has links for how to get them to me securely. If you work for TSA, or know anyone who does or did, I very much welcome insider tips, documents, and background info, and whatever else you can provide. I've gotten some very helpful info from inside informants so far, e.g. identifying some important national shift briefs, undisclosed SOPs, internal emails & fora, etc. I promise to keep your identity completely confidential, as I have consistently done in the past. Please be sure to contact me with a method listed as 'secure' on my contact page, since I can only protect what the government hasn't already monitored. In totally unrelated news: the Supreme Court just approved my proposal to remove a question about SSN last 4 from Federal Appellate Rules Form 4 (IFP application). It's tiny step, but it's something. I'm like an ant jumping on the levers of power. :) |
Most basic question.
Why does TSA dispose of potentially explosive LGA's in common trash right at the checkpoint? If these items are too are too dangerous to fly shouldn't they be treated as such? edit to add: Would a reasonable person dispose of potentially lethal chemicals in common trash unless they know these items are in fact harmless which questions why these items are being interdicted? |
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 29702396)
Why does TSA dispose of potentially explosive LGA's in common trash right at the checkpoint? If these items are too are too dangerous to fly shouldn't they be treated as such?
Also FWIW, my ability to ask questions (25 interrogatories & 10 depositions) is much more limited than my ability to ask them to admit or deny a specific statement, or to ask for production of documents (both of which are unlimited [in quantity; they still have to be reasonably proportionate, relevant or likely to lead to something relevant, etc]). So I have to be much more conservative with how I use the former. However, I can ask for e.g. records of any liquids related hazmat or bomb squad calls. Or maybe RFPs & specs for checkpoint trash cans… Would a reasonable person dispose of potentially lethal chemicals in common trash unless they know these items are in fact harmless which questions why these items are being interdicted? Perhaps there are policy documents discussing the appropriate way to dispose of "surrendered" liquids, and security justifications for those policies… |
I don't know if this helps the OP at all, but I always found it odd that, when it comes to things like toothpaste, antibiotic ointment, Ben Gay topical pain-relieving gel, the TSA ignores its own "volume" of liquid rules. In the U.S., those items are sold -- and labeled -- by weight, not volume, and TSA looks at the item's labeled weight to determine if it is compliant. How 3.4 avoirdupois ounces (or 100 milligrams) of those items compares to 3.4 fluid ounces (or 100 milliliters) is something that a chemist can weigh in on (pun intended), but I imagine that there can be quite a variance, depending on the density of the substance in question.
It seems to me that the TSA should adopt a weight rule for carry-on "liquids" that are sold and labeled by weight, rather than by volume. |
TSA expects/requires you to speak when you cannot do so. TSA also tells people to remove braces and casts on injured body parts and then tells those people to walk through the MMW. (Or to get up out of a wheelchair and walk like Lazarus.) Why does TSA request passengers to do something that could very well be harmful the passenger? Unfortunately, most people don't know to refuse such a request because they are intimidated by the false belief that screeners (sorry, Sai, I refuse to call them "officers") have some kind of legal authority to arrest them if they refuse.
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Originally Posted by guv1976
(Post 29702619)
I don't know if this helps the OP at all, but I always found it odd that, when it comes to things like toothpaste, antibiotic ointment, Ben Gay topical pain-relieving gel, the TSA ignores its own "volume" of liquid rules. In the U.S., those items are sold -- and labeled -- by weight, not volume, and TSA looks at the item's labeled weight to determine if it is compliant. How 3.4 avoirdupois ounces (or 100 milligrams) of those items compares to 3.4 fluid ounces (or 100 milliliters) is something that a chemist can weigh in on (pun intended), but I imagine that there can be quite a variance, depending on the density of the substance in question..
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