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Superguy Feb 19, 2016 8:09 am


Originally Posted by eyecue (Post 26210551)
You are not correct in your assumption.

Outside of Hollywood Movie Magic, I've seen several well-reputed scientists outside of TSA debunk that myth. TSA has provided nothing more than "We say it's a threat."

Gotta do better than that.

Boggie Dog Feb 19, 2016 8:17 am


Originally Posted by Superguy (Post 26210664)
Outside of Hollywood Movie Magic, I've seen several well-reputed scientists outside of TSA debunk that myth. TSA has provided nothing more than "We say it's a threat."

Gotta do better than that.


You are not correct in your assumption. (eyecue)

Same tactic as used by eyecue. A statement made without any supporting evidence or documentation. Typical TSA.

eyecue Feb 19, 2016 2:21 pm


Originally Posted by Superguy (Post 26210664)
Outside of Hollywood Movie Magic, I've seen several well-reputed scientists outside of TSA debunk that myth. TSA has provided nothing more than "We say it's a threat."

Gotta do better than that.

I have seen an EOD specialist take a liquid in a plastic bottle and stand in front of 40 people and shake the bottle. Then set it inside an airplane fuselage and set it off and destroy the whole side of the plane. Wanna know what the liquid is? Sorry that is SSI.

eyecue Feb 19, 2016 2:39 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 26210711)
Same tactic as used by eyecue. A statement made without any supporting evidence or documentation. Typical TSA.

wow everything here is anecdotal too

Superguy Feb 19, 2016 2:42 pm


Originally Posted by eyecue (Post 26212840)
I have seen an EOD specialist take a liquid in a plastic bottle and stand in front of 40 people and shake the bottle. Then set it inside an airplane fuselage and set it off and destroy the whole side of the plane. Wanna know what the liquid is? Sorry that is SSI.

I've also seen videos of Chevys blowing up when they were hit in certain ways. Big fireballs! People were scared!

Was it possible - yes, but the news story was rigged for effect and the threat greatly exaggerated. Sure cost GM a lot though and scared the public unnecessarily.

It still cracks me TSA hides behind SSI - barely the same level as FOUO or SBU - but treats it like TS information.

Something tells me that if it really were that sensitive, the last thing they'd be doing is telling a bunch of screeners.

petaluma1 Feb 19, 2016 2:46 pm


Originally Posted by eyecue (Post 26212840)
I have seen an EOD specialist take a liquid in a plastic bottle and stand in front of 40 people and shake the bottle. Then set it inside an airplane fuselage and set it off and destroy the whole side of the plane. Wanna know what the liquid is? Sorry that is SSI.

You mean this video? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7536167.stm

Superguy Feb 19, 2016 2:56 pm


Originally Posted by eyecue (Post 26212840)
I have seen an EOD specialist take a liquid in a plastic bottle and stand in front of 40 people and shake the bottle. Then set it inside an airplane fuselage and set it off and destroy the whole side of the plane. Wanna know what the liquid is? Sorry that is SSI.

You should try reading up on Jimmie Oxley from the University of Rhode Island. She's a PhD chemist and explosives expert. She's also questioned the government's claims about the viability of certain threats (like thermite) that the government gets spun about.

And you know what? What she says doesn't jive with TSA's claims.

I'll stick with her over TSA. Any day.

Superguy Feb 19, 2016 2:58 pm


Originally Posted by petaluma1 (Post 26212973)

Oh yes, Dr. Alford, the paid DHS shill. Funny how we haven't seen other "experts" come out supporting his claims.

DaveBlaine Feb 19, 2016 3:23 pm

Back in the day was OSS considered SSI?

Where have you gone William J. "Wild Bill" Donovan?

Loren Pechtel Feb 19, 2016 4:57 pm


Originally Posted by eyecue (Post 26212840)
I have seen an EOD specialist take a liquid in a plastic bottle and stand in front of 40 people and shake the bottle. Then set it inside an airplane fuselage and set it off and destroy the whole side of the plane. Wanna know what the liquid is? Sorry that is SSI.

That's a pretty big bang for a bottle of anything, liquid or not.

Thus I'm going to conclude it was unobtaininum.

Xyzzy Feb 19, 2016 5:53 pm


Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel (Post 26213555)
That's a pretty big bang for a bottle of anything, liquid or not.

Thus I'm going to conclude it was unobtaininum.

It looked like a powdered solid of some kind that was mixed with ordinary water. S:confused: why is it that we've still got a war on liquids?!

eyecue Feb 19, 2016 6:46 pm


Originally Posted by petaluma1 (Post 26212973)

Nope I went to a live demo of it. Saw it first hand.

eyecue Feb 19, 2016 6:52 pm


Originally Posted by Superguy (Post 26213027)
You should try reading up on Jimmie Oxley from the University of Rhode Island. She's a PhD chemist and explosives expert. She's also questioned the government's claims about the viability of certain threats (like thermite) that the government gets spun about.

And you know what? What she says doesn't jive with TSA's claims.

I'll stick with her over TSA. Any day.

The same Jimmie Oxley that now heads DHS explosives research dept.??

eyecue Feb 19, 2016 6:54 pm


Originally Posted by Superguy (Post 26212944)
I've also seen videos of Chevys blowing up when they were hit in certain ways. Big fireballs! People were scared!

Was it possible - yes, but the news story was rigged for effect and the threat greatly exaggerated. Sure cost GM a lot though and scared the public unnecessarily.

It still cracks me TSA hides behind SSI - barely the same level as FOUO or SBU - but treats it like TS information.

Something tells me that if it really were that sensitive, the last thing they'd be doing is telling a bunch of screeners.

Unless you are a certain Clinton, the penalties for SSI release are pretty severe, I need my job...

DaveBlaine Feb 23, 2016 2:39 pm

A logo for SSI.

http://www.mobygames.com/images/i/11/28/449978.png


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