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Vidiot Sep 22, 2015 9:54 am

According to this story in The Advocate, the TSA has released a statement:

“Our officers are trained to properly screen members of the transgender community. TSA takes all potential civil rights violations very seriously and conducted a review of the incident. After examining closed circuit TV video and other available information, TSA has determined that the evidence shows our officers followed TSA’s strict guidelines. Supervisory personnel and a Passenger Support Specialist participated in the screening to ensure guidelines were met.”
I don't see how guidelines were met if the TSA detained her illegally, conducted a retaliatory patdown, tried to take her phone away, told her she could not take photos or video, and told her she'd have to leave the airport.

Also, it's interesting that this statement does not appear in the press section of the TSA website. I guess the website is just out of date.

Boggie Dog Sep 22, 2015 10:39 am


Originally Posted by Vidiot (Post 25462451)
According to this story in The Advocate, the TSA has released a statement:


I don't see how guidelines were met if the TSA detained her illegally, conducted a retaliatory patdown, tried to take her phone away, told her she could not take photos or video, and told her she'd have to leave the airport.

Also, it's interesting that this statement does not appear in the press section of the TSA website. I guess the website is just out of date.

Simple answer, TSA screeners never do anything wrong.

iMedic Sep 22, 2015 10:52 am

I was following this on Twitter yesterday and this morning. I felt so bad for her and I hope some good comes from this.


Beside that, I'm curious as to why the OP felt the need to censor the word penis? Do you normally censor yourself when talking about anatomy?

chgoeditor Sep 22, 2015 11:32 am


Originally Posted by iMedic (Post 25462744)
I was following this on Twitter yesterday and this morning. I felt so bad for her and I hope some good comes from this.


Beside that, I'm curious as to why the OP felt the need to censor the word penis? Do you normally censor yourself when talking about anatomy?

FT blocks the posting of many words, and the OP may have assumed that penis would automatically be blocked or censored.

mikeef Sep 22, 2015 12:29 pm


“Our officers are trained to properly screen members of the transgender community. TSA takes all potential civil rights violations very seriously and conducted a review of the incident. After examining closed circuit TV video and other available information, TSA has determined that the evidence shows our officers followed TSA’s strict guidelines. Supervisory personnel and a Passenger Support Specialist participated in the screening to ensure guidelines were met.”
And, in other news, water is wet and the sun comes up in the east. :rolleyes:

Mike

Skatering Sep 22, 2015 1:05 pm

Well, this was fun to read.

I'm actually in the same position as her anatomically. I transitioned when I was a teenager and I'm now in my late twenties. Being trans doesn't really affect my life in any way until I have the joy of airport security.

I was extremely fortunate to encounter WMTDs every time I flew, until last week at MCI when I was in my first body scanner line. I considered opting out but I figured I'd see if I'd get an anomaly first as I was on my own so it was no big deal if it happened. As soon as I walked through the two male TSA agents ran away (yeah, really) leaving the lone female agent to awkwardly ask me about my gender and explaining that I had an anomaly in the private area. She then proceeded to pat down the other parts of my body that had flagged but went nowhere near my private parts. And then I was on my way, almost feeling guilty for not opting out and putting her through the awkwardness.

But reading this, it seems transgender training hasn't reached all of the TSA, or more likely, they're plain ignoring it, because they can. I look forward to the day this inevitably happens to me. Hopefully I'll be travelling alone or with people who are already privvy to my medical history.

Vidiot Sep 22, 2015 2:50 pm


Originally Posted by chgoeditor (Post 25462953)
FT blocks the posting of many words, and the OP may have assumed that penis would automatically be blocked or censored.

This, exactly. Since FT blocks words, I assumed that "penis" wouldn't make it through. No judgment on the word on my part was intended.

FliesWay2Much Sep 22, 2015 3:42 pm


Originally Posted by mikeef (Post 25463249)
Quote:




“Our officers are trained to properly screen members of the transgender community. TSA takes all potential civil rights violations very seriously and conducted a review of the incident. After examining closed circuit TV video and other available information, TSA has determined that the evidence shows our officers followed TSA’s strict guidelines. Supervisory personnel and a Passenger Support Specialist participated in the screening to ensure guidelines were met.”




And, in other news, water is wet and the sun comes up in the east.

Mike

Well, jeepers, if they are all properly trained, why did they need a supervisor clerk and a passenger support clerk on the scene?

After this blow-off, I hope there's a civil rights lawyer out there who will take a case pro bono.

tanja Sep 22, 2015 5:02 pm


Originally Posted by Vidiot (Post 25463981)
This, exactly. Since FT blocks words, I assumed that "penis" wouldn't make it through. No judgment on the word on my part was intended.

After what I have read we cant even use genitals words at a TSA check point. Cause TSA gets offended.
I am like this if you "touch" those parts you have to be able to hear them and spell them."

tanja Sep 22, 2015 5:06 pm


Originally Posted by Skatering (Post 25463475)
Well, this was fun to read.

I'm actually in the same position as her anatomically. I transitioned when I was a teenager and I'm now in my late twenties. Being trans doesn't really affect my life in any way until I have the joy of airport security.

I was extremely fortunate to encounter WMTDs every time I flew, until last week at MCI when I was in my first body scanner line. I considered opting out but I figured I'd see if I'd get an anomaly first as I was on my own so it was no big deal if it happened. As soon as I walked through the two male TSA agents ran away (yeah, really) leaving the lone female agent to awkwardly ask me about my gender and explaining that I had an anomaly in the private area. She then proceeded to pat down the other parts of my body that had flagged but went nowhere near my private parts. And then I was on my way, almost feeling guilty for not opting out and putting her through the awkwardness.

But reading this, it seems transgender training hasn't reached all of the TSA, or more likely, they're plain ignoring it, because they can. I look forward to the day this inevitably happens to me. Hopefully I'll be travelling alone or with people who are already privvy to my medical history.

Dont feel guilty at all. I think you are very strong person. All the best to you.

tanja Sep 22, 2015 5:08 pm


Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much (Post 25464202)
Well, jeepers, if they are all properly trained, why did they need a supervisor clerk and a passenger support clerk on the scene?

After this blow-off, I hope there's a civil rights lawyer out there who will take a case pro bono.

YES . Do Agree to 100 %.

84fiero Sep 22, 2015 7:46 pm

The body scanners should be eliminated altogether. Yet another incident illustrating why. Sad that TSA pretty much never finds its clerks are at fault.

SeriouslyLost Sep 22, 2015 10:25 pm

Well, I'm jolly glad that TSA were able to find that video so quickly and determine that they were perfect yet again in Stopping the Twerrorists!

Oh, wait...

Himeno Sep 22, 2015 11:23 pm


Originally Posted by 84fiero (Post 25465042)
The body scanners should be eliminated altogether. Yet another incident illustrating why. Sad that TSA pretty much never finds its clerks are at fault.

They never should have been rolled out in the first place. They don't work and have no place in airports.

GUWonder Sep 23, 2015 4:15 am


Originally Posted by 84fiero (Post 25465042)
The body scanners should be eliminated altogether. Yet another incident illustrating why. Sad that TSA pretty much never finds its clerks are at fault.

Their use has been expanding in the world, largely due to USG/DHS advocacy for/on behalf of this kind of technology. AMS and CPH have way too many of these machines, and use this unnecessary dichotomy of male vs female as if the spectrum of human sexuality consists of just two separate points.


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