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AppleApe Jun 1, 2015 9:25 am


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 24899512)
They most commonly do indeed stamp US passports at FRA, but sometimes they refuse to stamp some U.S. passports of some admissible US passport users at FRA.


what are "some admissible US passport users"???


I just remembered another experience at BOS about 5(?) years ago.
The US immigration officers stood at the end of the line(not their
usual counter) and checked each US passport's data page. He then
waved passengers through. (no computer or scanner) I thought
maybe their computer was down or something. There were at
least several hundred people in line.

Xyzzy Jul 23, 2015 1:49 pm

FWIW, according to this link, additional page inserts are going away on January 1, 2016 -- the same day that they are to begin issuing the new version of US Passports. It qu:ptes this from the Federal Register:
The Department proposes eliminating the visa page insert service for regular fee passport book holders beginning January 1, 2016. The expected effective date of this rule coincides with when the Department expects to begin issuing an updated version of the Next Generation Passport book.
...and it appears here in the Federal Register.

seawolf Jul 23, 2015 6:37 pm


Originally Posted by Xyzzy (Post 25162391)
FWIW, according to this link, additional page inserts are going away on January 1, 2016 -- the same day that they are to begin issuing the new version of US Passports. It qu:ptes this from the Federal Register:
The Department proposes eliminating the visa page insert service for regular fee passport book holders beginning January 1, 2016. The expected effective date of this rule coincides with when the Department expects to begin issuing an updated version of the Next Generation Passport book.
...and it appears here in the Federal Register.

More legible format.

GUWonder Jul 23, 2015 7:39 pm


Originally Posted by Xyzzy (Post 25162391)
FWIW, according to this link, additional page inserts are going away on January 1, 2016 -- the same day that they are to begin issuing the new version of US Passports. It qu:ptes this from the Federal Register:
The Department proposes eliminating the visa page insert service for regular fee passport book holders beginning January 1, 2016. The expected effective date of this rule coincides with when the Department expects to begin issuing an updated version of the Next Generation Passport book.
...and it appears here in the Federal Register.

A "security" reason for eliminating additional page insert services was that the inserts can more easily be removed and used with the cover of stolen passports to create a more legitimate-looking, limited validity US passport than would be the case over the longer term if additional page inserts go the way of the dodo bird sooner than later. That and buying into the "practice what you preach" to others (or attempt to force upon others) in the name of "security".

There are other passport disservices hitting along with the elimination of the page insert service.

Xyzzy Jul 23, 2015 8:10 pm


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 25164087)
There are other passport disservices hitting along with the elimination of the page insert service.

Such as??...

I was happy t:p finally see a date associated with the changes.

cafeconleche Jul 24, 2015 4:46 am

It says that the passport will have two fewer pages from 2016, but the same number of visa pages. I hope this means the useless advisory pages will be eliminated.

GUWonder Jul 24, 2015 4:59 am


Originally Posted by Xyzzy (Post 25164193)
Such as??...

See the above-linked, Federal Register-noted amendments to the CFR; they indicate two aspects of further disservices. There are also other passport disservices that are in play too for after this round; and when the conditions turn out to be right in my view, then I'll try to be more explicit about next-round disservices as well and the background behind them.

Xyzzy Jul 24, 2015 5:51 am

I found this interesting, and I don't recall seeing it bef:(re:
(a) Within the United States, an applicant for a passport service (including issuance or the replacement of a passport) may request expedited processing. The Department may decline to accept the request.

seawolf Jul 24, 2015 9:37 am


Originally Posted by Xyzzy (Post 25165595)
I found this interesting, and I don't recall seeing it bef:(re:
(a) Within the United States, an applicant for a passport service (including issuance or the replacement of a passport) may request expedited processing. The Department may decline to accept the request.

That bolded passage has already been there. The change is the removal of "or the addition of visa pages"

§51.56 Expedited passport processing.

Xyzzy Jul 24, 2015 11:44 am


Originally Posted by seawolf (Post 25166530)
That bolded passage has already been there. The change is the removal of "or the addition of visa pages"

§51.56 Expedited passport processing.

Well, we knew that was coming ... they've made no secret of the fact that inserting additional pages were g:(ing away.

König Jul 24, 2015 10:51 pm

Has anyone already seen the new US passport design? I really hope the new passport will look more like Scandinavian passports (clean and minimalist) and less like the "in your face Americana" that they have now :-)

cafeconleche Jul 25, 2015 3:24 am

Hah do you really think the average American bureaucrat would LESSEN the tacky Americana? Look at the country. Look at the movies we make. Look at the presidential campaign! No way they wouldn't let us drown in multicolored ink and bald eagle stencils.

König Jul 25, 2015 10:27 pm


Originally Posted by cafeconleche (Post 25170087)
Hah do you really think the average American bureaucrat would LESSEN the tacky Americana? ... No way they wouldn't let us drown in multicolored ink and bald eagle stencils.

Well, we used to have a more neutral passport design prior to 2007. I think it was dull and not so classy, but it was still way better than the current design.

By the way, it seems like both Canada and the UK decided to follow in the US footsteps and educate the general public about their heritage/geographical wonders with their passports' designs :-) At least their bio pages remained normal...

FlyingHoustonian Jul 25, 2015 11:37 pm

Bring back the green Ben Franklin passport ;-)

cafeconleche Jul 26, 2015 5:56 am


Originally Posted by König (Post 25173265)
Well, we used to have a more neutral passport design prior to 2007. I think it was dull and not so classy, but it was still way better than the current design.

By the way, it seems like both Canada and the UK decided to follow in the US footsteps and educate the general public about their heritage/geographical wonders with their passports' designs :-) At least their bio pages remained normal...

Well, the last one had these tacky fake state seals on the pages. It's a progression. Now that they've got a taste of what they can do, there's no telling.

The Irish and Australians have made their passports more 'interesting' too. The New Zealanders too, I think. It's an English-speaking country thing, it would seem, but I think the Finns and Norwegians are not far behind, though they do it better with more nature-inspired stuff. The Canadians are pretty much the only ones who've mimicked the US with the most zeal...


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