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GUWonder Oct 9, 2014 7:20 am


Originally Posted by relangford (Post 23648403)
I think the current "large" US passport is up to 48 pages, with the "standard" at 28 pages. When I lived in China, I had to get a new visa every year (taking up a whole page) and, now, going to China at least once a year (plus Viet Nam and Sri Lanka, all who use full-page stick-ins), my 48 pages are filling up quickly. I don't understand the anti-Reagan rant, though, the big increases in passport costs have been during subsequent administrations, with this latest round under the Obama rule. Also, in the article, it says pages will be numbered; aren't they now (mine are)?

My additional page inserts have letters -- and it's been this way for at least around two decades for US passports.

I have one insert with nearly a dozen Chinese visas from just one year alone and each of those single or dual-entry visas take up a full page. At that kind of pace, my passport use costs would jump up under this page insert ban, and I will have to hope they issue the bigger page passports as secondary passpports too.

The biggest percentage jump in US passport use costs for persons like myself came during the Reagan Admin when the US House of Representatives was controlled by his opposition. But the massive percentage increase in passport fees was determined by the Admin.

The page insert ban under the current Admin will be the de facto second biggest percentage cost increase for me. This large increase in costs for me is also determined by the Admin.

:D! Oct 9, 2014 11:27 am


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 23635095)
The irony is that the more people that have two valid passports with some overlapping validity, the more likely a passport will be available for misuse by others.

I meant that people will be carrying around multiple passports as a 5-year passport will always expire before a 5-year visa.

If you need a second valid passport as well (and maybe a second expired passport containing an unexpired visa too), that just makes it worse.

My dad has a passport from a 5-year country, and he must currently carry 4 passports to travel to the country of which he is a resident (but 3 of them are sealed and bound together - though they are not the same size!)

Fortunately this will change soon as his renewed visa will not be in a passport.

catocony Oct 9, 2014 3:13 pm

My old passport, issued in the late 90s, has page numbers on the original book and letters on the 24-page add-in. My current passport has no page numbers.

This is fine if they just issue a 48-page (or whatever) passport to everyone. I don't think you could do more than one additional book of pages in the past, so no problems there. What killed me was, when I got my current passport, I asked for the extra book and was denied. A few months later, they started charging for the extra book.

I plan on getting a new passport a few years early, since I'm out of pages and to get the add-on book costs the same as getting a whole new passport. It's a waste of two years potential use, but it doesn't make sense to add pages to a passport that expires in two years. That's a substantial expense of money, time and effort.

CX HK Oct 10, 2014 4:37 am


Originally Posted by N830MH (Post 23648705)
Actually, I have a lots stamp. I have more than 14 stamps. I won't be traveling to Europe this year. The ticket price is too extremely expensive.

Is this an actual post or a reference to something I am not fully understanding :confused: ;)

GUWonder Oct 10, 2014 4:52 am


Originally Posted by CX HK (Post 23655242)
Is this an actual post or a reference to something I am not fully understanding :confused: ;)

It's a reference to some people liking (more) stamps and some people caring less or little for them, regardless of how many they have.

I like the stamps, as I have used them as already on-hand evidence either of individual presence or of individual absence (or of both) with regard to one or more countries in any given period of time.

GUWonder Oct 12, 2014 6:48 pm


Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer (Post 23637868)
Even as a non-american I'm disappointed in these moves as they would seem to lock in the changes made to our own passports (at the request of USA) just when there seemed to be hope some of those changes could be reversed.

New Zealand has a chance to go back to a ten-year validity period passport -- it changed to the five year period due to a push for more "security" -- and is likely to take it, but it may end up being packaged in legislation that will further enable the government to deny otherwise free NZ citizens an ability to fly around.

GUWonder Oct 28, 2014 2:54 am

The new US passports with the polycarbonate biodata pages may have the RFID chip in the polycarbonate page with the purpose being to reduce the likelihood of the chip ending up disabled.

König Oct 29, 2014 1:24 am


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 23748073)
The new US passports with the polycarbonate biodata pages may have the RFID chip in the polycarbonate page with the purpose being to reduce the likelihood of the chip ending up disabled.

Most of ePassports with polycarbonate page have RFID chips inside this page, although I am not sure if it is to protect the chip or for some other reasons. Of course, passport holders from other countries are less likely to hammer their passport to disable the chip :D

GUWonder Oct 29, 2014 2:18 am


Originally Posted by König (Post 23754508)
Most of ePassports with polycarbonate page have RFID chips inside this page, although I am not sure if it is to protect the chip or for some other reasons. Of course, passport holders from other countries are less likely to hammer their passport to disable the chip :D

The EU countries' passports with polycarbonate pages which have the RFID chip in them are in there to reduce the opportunity to disable or otherwise alter the chip. It was a deliberate decision in this theater too. They can still be disabled. :D

Kiwi Flyer Oct 29, 2014 6:03 pm


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 23748073)
The new US passports with the polycarbonate biodata pages may have the RFID chip in the polycarbonate page with the purpose being to reduce the likelihood of the chip ending up disabled.

The first version(s) of NZ passports with RFID chip had it on a separate page at the back of the passport. Subsequent versions have it on the main personal data page. Yup, much harder to tamper with when it so obvious.

GUWonder Feb 2, 2015 2:51 pm

US passports issued after October 2014 aren't eligible for additional page inserts in them. Still not sure when this change became effective, but it'll hit eventually this year if it hasn't already.

By year-end (if not earlier) or start of 2016, even pre-October 2014 passports won't be eligible for additional page inserts.

US passports issued in 2016 or later will also not be eligible for additional page inserts.

The era of additional page inserts in US passports is coming to an end. My suggestion for those interested in additional page inserts, try to get them done sooner than later. When the insert stock runs out, time runs out.

"Security" reasons are why this option is being killed by the government.

AllieKat Feb 2, 2015 11:50 pm

I know the Irish government claims the new laser-engraved polycarbonate passports are cheaper to produce. Not sure if the US would use the same process, as I doubt Americans would put up with black and white passport photos (despite them being MORE secure).


Originally Posted by König (Post 23754508)
Most of ePassports with polycarbonate page have RFID chips inside this page, although I am not sure if it is to protect the chip or for some other reasons. Of course, passport holders from other countries are less likely to hammer their passport to disable the chip :D

While we see reports online, I highly doubt THAT many people hammer their passports. It takes a special type of dense... "hey, let's damage one of the main security features that can prove my passport is authentic before I try to apply to be a guest in this other country that doesn't have to let me in"

GUWonder Feb 3, 2015 2:45 am


Originally Posted by AllieKat (Post 24282331)
While we see reports online, I highly doubt THAT many people hammer their passports. It takes a special type of dense... "hey, let's damage one of the main security features that can prove my passport is authentic before I try to apply to be a guest in this other country that doesn't have to let me in"

The non-functioning nature of the RFID doesn't make an authentic, valid passport any less authentic and valid than a passport with RFID functioning.

HGHUA Feb 3, 2015 4:39 am

My passport cover bending drives me nuts. I wish they could use a better material to fix that.

AllieKat Feb 3, 2015 8:17 am


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 24282733)
The non-functioning nature of the RFID doesn't make an authentic, valid passport any less authentic and valid than a passport with RFID functioning.

I never said it did, at least if it fails accidentally (it happens). Tampering with a passport does invalidate it. But another country doesn't have to admit anyone, you're their guest. I know if I was a border security official, I'd be highly suspicious, especially if the passport looked otherwise new (i.e. was unlikely to be through the amount of wear needed to damage the chip), and your smashed chip might cause you substantial delays while your passport was investigated. Just depends on other factors that seem suspicious, it's one of many things. But it strikes me as a special kind of dense-beyond-sanity to do something that can have no beneficial effect, only cause you delays or possibly worse.

P.S. Personally, I'll add I love the e-passports, at least as implemented in the UK. Scan passport, look at facial recognition camera, walk through gate. It's fantastic. Can't think why I'd possibly want to greatly inconvenience myself by smashing the chip forcing me to talk to immigration officers.


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