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TSA ID checking is worthless and a guise for airline revenue management
ID checking is worthless as a security measure at TSA checkpoints and is really a guise for airline revenue management. You would be surprised prior to 911 how many people flew on another person's airline ticket either to make one person a higher elite level or to use what would be a worthless ticket.
If TSA ID checking is truly to be used as a terrorist counter measure you need an active data base system that includes bio-metrics at check points. Not a passive system where terrorists have the know how and capability to assume identity of a non threat individual. |
Agreed.
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Originally Posted by Centurion
(Post 23403211)
ID checking is worthless as a security measure at TSA checkpoints and is really a guise for airline revenue management. You would be surprised prior to 911 how many people flew on another person's airline ticket either to make one person a higher elite level or to use what would be a worthless ticket.
If TSA ID checking is truly to be used as a terrorist counter measure you need an active data base system that includes bio-metrics at check points. Not a passive system where terrorists have the know how and capability to assume identity of a non threat individual. |
Originally Posted by Centurion
(Post 23403211)
...If TSA ID checking is truly to be used as a terrorist counter measure you need an active data base system that includes bio-metrics at check points....
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I agree what matters is what ever is on the plane is not a threat. Be it a person, package, device, etc.
Originally Posted by GrumpyYoungMan
(Post 23403959)
If WEI screening is effective, the identity of the traveler shouldn't matter one bit.
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I also agree that a database would cause far more damage than good. I really am trying to say the entire TSA ID procedure provides no increased security.
Originally Posted by Schmurrr
(Post 23404216)
Where is the evidence that checking IDs at the TSA checkpoint provides any value in the War on Terror at all? Why add more personal data of innocent people to databases that can be hacked and put to far more disastrous use? How does a biometric system address the risk presented by airport vendors and employees?
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While I do not wish to support this policy, it is in place to prevent the circumvention of one of the layers of security. Should someone on the no fly list wish to fly, they need only have an accomplice hand off the boarding pass before security. The additional check is a check that the person that was issued the pass is still the one carrying the pass.
This in no way an endorsement of the no fly list, its serious lack of due process for inclusion, nor the formerly secret nature of the process and onerous process for removal. It is only a reason that the BP/ID check exists in addition to airline protection. |
Originally Posted by InkUnderNails
(Post 23405077)
While I do not wish to support this policy, it is in place to prevent the circumvention of one of the layers of security. Should someone on the no fly list wish to fly, they need only have an accomplice hand off the boarding pass before security. The additional check is a check that the person that was issued the pass is still the one carrying the pass.
This in no way an endorsement of the no fly list, its serious lack of due process for inclusion, nor the formerly secret nature of the process and onerous process for removal. It is only a reason that the BP/ID check exists in addition to airline protection. |
Please feel free to voice your opinion about this and how effective you consider the TSA to be in general in the FBT/FlyerTalk poll on the topic.
Poll: How Effective is the TSA? |
Originally Posted by DeafBlonde
(Post 23405536)
Does the traveller actually get checked against the "no fly list" when they present their ID at the airport checkpoint? Or does this happen when the ticket is purchased? :confused:
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Originally Posted by DeafBlonde
(Post 23405536)
Does the traveller actually get checked against the "no fly list" when they present their ID at the airport checkpoint? Or does this happen when the ticket is purchased? :confused:
In an article in The Atlantic,[11] security expert Bruce Schneier described a simple way for people to defeat the No Fly List: Use a stolen credit card to buy a ticket under a fake name. Print a fake boarding pass with your real name on it and go to the airport. You give your real ID, and the fake boarding pass with your real name on it, to security. They’re checking the documents against each other. They’re not checking your name against the no-fly list—that was done on the airline’s computers. Once you’re through security, you rip up the fake boarding pass, and use the real boarding pass that has the name from the stolen credit card. Then you board the plane, because they’re not checking your name against your ID at boarding. |
The no-fly list is just as dumb as checking IDs. I don't care who's on the plane as long as they have no weapons. An anonymous walk through a metal detector is all that's needed.
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Originally Posted by DeafBlonde
(Post 23405536)
Does the traveller actually get checked against the "no fly list" when they present their ID at the airport checkpoint? Or does this happen when the ticket is purchased? :confused:
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Originally Posted by jspira
(Post 23405735)
Please feel free to voice your opinion about this and how effective you consider the TSA to be in general in the FBT/FlyerTalk poll on the topic.
Poll: How Effective is the TSA? |
Originally Posted by petaluma1
(Post 23405966)
Sadly, many people believe that the TSA is checking names against some list when their ID is presented to the checker, when nothing of the sort occurs. TSA, of course, isn't doing anything to dissuade those individuals of their belief.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Fly_List |
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