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Johnny Rocket Jul 2, 2014 4:18 pm

Heightened security at U.S airports (and overseas?)
 
Airport security is being increased at American airports amid reports two terror networks are working together on a bomb that could evade existing measures.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/...-airports.html

Washington Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson ordered beefed up security at foreign airports from where aircraft fly directly to the US.

So here's my question - how do they get airports overseas to beef up security?

How or why would an airport say in Pakistan improve security when the TSA have no jurisdiction?

Also, what kind of new measures might they be?

miamigrad Jul 2, 2014 4:56 pm

As this is not specific to American Airlines, it is being moved to the relevant travel safety forum.

/Moderator

petaluma1 Jul 2, 2014 6:03 pm


Originally Posted by Johnny Rocket (Post 23133495)
Airport security is being increased at American airports amid reports two terror networks are working together on a bomb that could evade existing measures.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/...-airports.html

Washington Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson ordered beefed up security at foreign airports from where aircraft fly directly to the US.

So here's my question - how do they get airports overseas to beef up security?

How or why would an airport say in Pakistan improve security when the TSA have no jurisdiction?


Also, what kind of new measures might they be?

"Start enhanced screening or your planes will not be allowed to land at U.S. airports or fly over the "homeland."

FlyIgglesFly Jul 2, 2014 9:24 pm

Anybody going through this within the next week of so? I've got an FRA-PHL on the 16th, kinda of want to find out if I need to get to the gate ridiculously early now. Instead of just absurdly early.

Spiff Jul 2, 2014 9:28 pm

:td: :td: Stupid morons.

Increased harassment for no good reason.

"There is no imminent threat or plot, officials say"

DHS should be dissolved and its scumbag "leaders" tried for treason.

N830MH Jul 2, 2014 11:45 pm


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 23134735)
:td: :td: Stupid morons.

Increased harassment for no good reason.

"There is no imminent threat or plot, officials say"

DHS should be dissolved and its scumbag "leaders" tried for treason.

Sickening!!! What a stupid thing! He should not do it. There is no reason to harassment with the passengers. There is no reason.

Get him out of DHS now!!!!

Good riddance to Jeh Johnson!!! :mad::mad::td::td:

MSPeconomist Jul 3, 2014 4:02 pm


Originally Posted by FlyIgglesFly (Post 23134715)
Anybody going through this within the next week of so? I've got an FRA-PHL on the 16th, kinda of want to find out if I need to get to the gate ridiculously early now. Instead of just absurdly early.

I returned from CDG today. See the post about my experiences and observations in the other DHS statement thread in this sub forum.

Badenoch Jul 4, 2014 8:32 am

Every once in a while around peak travel times or important American holidays, the DHS issues a dire warning about enhanced threats, undetectable bombs or new terrorist groups, etc.

This encourages Americans to feel proud and patriotic when they meekly accept a TSA slob jiggling their junk or another stuffing her hands into the crotch of their teenage daughter.

The rest of the world goes along because international carriers do a lot of business with the U.S. and, in extreme cases, risk having their airliners shot down if they encroach into American air space or come to close to their naval vessels.

chollie Jul 4, 2014 8:36 am


Originally Posted by Badenoch (Post 23142566)
Every once in a while around peak travel times or important American holidays, the DHS issues a dire warning about enhanced threats, undetectable bombs or new terrorist groups, etc.

This encourages Americans to feel proud and patriotic when they meekly accept a TSA slob jiggling their junk or another stuffing her hands into the crotch of their teenage daughter.

The rest of the world goes along because international carriers do a lot of business with the U.S. and, in extreme cases, risk having their airliners shot down if they encroach into American air space or come to close to their naval vessels.

Peak travel time, important American holidays - and in the lead-up to a new expensive device being introduced to counter the threat recently discovered in 'intel chatter'. Perhaps Chertoff and company have a stake in a specially over-priced for the taxpayer all-purpose LGA testing device that is about to be deployed.

Or privileged TSA employees wanted an excuse for a summer travel junket to review and advise their foreign colleagues on ways to conduct security. Amazing how our folks think there's nothing the US can learn from the way security is handled at foreign airports.

Amazing that these junkets to audit and dictate foreign security never seem to visit airports in third world countries - Nigeria, Kenya, Sudan, Yemen, for example.

FlyIgglesFly Jul 4, 2014 2:39 pm


Originally Posted by chollie (Post 23142587)
Peak travel time, important American holidays - and in the lead-up to a new expensive device being introduced to counter the threat recently discovered in 'intel chatter'. Perhaps Chertoff and company have a stake in a specially over-priced for the taxpayer all-purpose LGA testing device that is about to be deployed.

Or privileged TSA employees wanted an excuse for a summer travel junket to review and advise their foreign colleagues on ways to conduct security. Amazing how our folks think there's nothing the US can learn from the way security is handled at foreign airports.

Amazing that these junkets to audit and dictate foreign security never seem to visit airports in third world countries - Nigeria, Kenya, Sudan, Yemen, for example.

I've felt arguably safer flying out of airports in some of those more questionable countries than after experiences the efforts of the TSA. Military efficiency in opening up and physically inspecting each and every bag, and person, by persons with a professional demeanor and assault weapons makes you feel a lot safer than X-ray scans of checked bags and the unprofessional clowns running security checkpoints in the US.

FredAnderssen Jul 5, 2014 12:42 am

There are some rumors of smartphone bombs, so there is bound to be extra scrutiny of your hand luggage and phones.

Anyone have any stories about this?

jago25_98 Jul 5, 2014 2:03 am

Thanks for the rumour regards smartphone bombs. The other rumour is no metal human bomb.
Which will it be, or both?

I'll make a prediction and I'll suggest how to verify it and potentially profit.

The human bomb is a story coming out of big media. The smartphone story is smaller media. Which false flag is it going to be?

The NSA had a major setback with Snowden. Could people be taking countermeasures? Would it be advisable to spy on peoples phones as they pass borders instead?
The TSA had a setback with the body scanners. It was radiation that seemed to snuff it more than privacy. The $2m scanners didn't get deployed across every airport so the makers share price dropped, unable to recover corruption costs involved in getting it that far such as paying patsies.

Perhaps the latest news is about bodyscanner companies trying to recover their loss? Or is the NSA interested in regaining post Snowden? Or both? Or something else?

The answer might be in the stock market. To find out the easiest thing to do is talk to a professional who specialises in security stocks and shares. In lieu of that I and we have some research to do to find which companies produce which scanners; body backscatter, drugs or something new for smartphones. Its time to read the forums of potential tech with large investments and put 2+2 together.

I recommend watching the markets. To follow the money really enlightens. Taking a look at NATGAS and tracking stocks would have helped travels passing through Ukraine; just look at the price, how early the forecast is.

WillCAD Jul 5, 2014 10:26 am


Originally Posted by jago25_98 (Post 23146066)
Thanks for the rumour regards smartphone bombs. The other rumour is no metal human bomb.
Which will it be, or both?

I'll make a prediction and I'll suggest how to verify it and potentially profit.

The human bomb is a story coming out of big media. The smartphone story is smaller media. Which false flag is it going to be?

The NSA had a major setback with Snowden. Could people be taking countermeasures? Would it be advisable to spy on peoples phones as they pass borders instead?
The TSA had a setback with the body scanners. It was radiation that seemed to snuff it more than privacy. The $2m scanners didn't get deployed across every airport so the makers share price dropped, unable to recover corruption costs involved in getting it that far such as paying patsies.

Perhaps the latest news is about bodyscanner companies trying to recover their loss? Or is the NSA interested in regaining post Snowden? Or both? Or something else?

The answer might be in the stock market. To find out the easiest thing to do is talk to a professional who specialises in security stocks and shares. In lieu of that I and we have some research to do to find which companies produce which scanners; body backscatter, drugs or something new for smartphones. Its time to read the forums of potential tech with large investments and put 2+2 together.

I recommend watching the markets. To follow the money really enlightens. Taking a look at NATGAS and tracking stocks would have helped travels passing through Ukraine; just look at the price, how early the forecast is.

Actually, although the general public was most upset at the radiation risk from the BSX scanners, the TSA's official reason for pulling them was privacy concerns, because ATR software couldn't be adapted to work with them the way it "works" with the MMW units.

Personally, I believe that someone in the TSA upper management finally realized that the risk of irradiating millions of people every year, including their own employees, was going to eventually bite them in the butt with lawsuits by cancer patients.

chollie Jul 5, 2014 11:05 am


Originally Posted by WillCAD (Post 23147442)
Actually, although the general public was most upset at the radiation risk from the BSX scanners, the TSA's official reason for pulling them was privacy concerns, because ATR software couldn't be adapted to work with them the way it "works" with the MMW units.

Personally, I believe that someone in the TSA upper management finally realized that the risk of irradiating millions of people every year, including their own employees, was going to eventually bite them in the butt with lawsuits by cancer patients.

I disagree, although I am mystified at the pullback of the BSXs at US airports. There's something else going on that has nothing to do with safety, privacy concerns (as if - they're still chopping groins and sticking hands inside pants), or even the ineffectiveness of the machines.

TSA/DHS couldn't care less about eventual lawsuits. Payouts wouldn't affect bonus checks or pay raises or job security - they'd either come from the taxpayers or from Chertoff's insurance company. If a company like GM is willing to take a similar risk with a flawed product as the cost of doing business, such concerns aren't going to stop Chertoff or TSA. IIRC, the machines are being deployed to non-airport locations - so much for safety concerns.

GUWonder Jul 5, 2014 7:11 pm

At least the TSA characters haven't forced a blanket lock down on online checkin+PYOBP for international flights to the US even on US carriers.


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