6. "Police" St. Patrick's Day parades... (:38) http://www.wcsh6.com/news/article/27...l-weekend-long If you thought you could avoid the blue rubber glove grasp of the TSA by avoiding airports altogether, you’ve got another thing coming. DHS, instead, will focus on creating a mandatory National ID Card program, issueing each person in the US a biometric ID card with their photo, fingerprints, DNA, and SSN encoded on it. It seems George Orwell was right, but missed the date. |
ROTFLAMO!!
You guys crack me up, seriously! The TSA knows nothing more about what happened than anyone else (you included), yet you guys are trying to make predictions about how TSA will react? Why not wait until something actually turns up before doning tin hats and predicting the end of the world? Anyway, I just had to see what type of silly was going on here because of that incident, or non-incident, depending. Nice to know that some things never change. Seriously, you guys are funnier than Don Rickels. |
you guys are funnier than Don Rickels The point is: it doesn't matter why MH370 was lost, it's that TSA will over-react and use any excuse. |
"Gate checking" will take on a brand new meaning on the jetbridge, steps away from the aircraft, regardless of whether you are using doors on the left/#1 or on the right/#2 - hereon, mark my words for it.
For those of us flying TPAC to places like SGN, PVG, and of course, PEK - think about the secondary screening at/near the boarding gate plus the random screening/uniform "officer" as you approach/after passing the GA ... :D That is, at least until they figure out what happened to the missing 777 and can possibly relax some rules again. Ok, girls & boys - start lining up for boarding T-90 now. :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 22561230)
ROTFLAMO!!
You guys crack me up, seriously! The TSA knows nothing more about what happened than anyone else (you included), yet you guys are trying to make predictions about how TSA will react? Why not wait until something actually turns up before doning tin hats and predicting the end of the world? Anyway, I just had to see what type of silly was going on here because of that incident, or non-incident, depending. Nice to know that some things never change. Seriously, you guys are funnier than Don Rickels. |
Originally Posted by Schmurrr
(Post 22559445)
Please provide proof that NOSs work.
Originally Posted by Schmurrr
(Post 22559445)
A cost-benefit assessment and a comparative analysis vs. alternative procedures would be fantastic.
Originally Posted by Schmurrr
(Post 22559445)
Please consider that the backscatter NOSs subjected travelers en masse to medically unnecessary x-rays. IMO, that is more heinous than the invasion of privacy.
More to the point, however, the TSA is already using scanners, which, as you say, are driven by x-rays. They've just dumbed down the information displays of what is found in the scan. But the scan still is done.
Originally Posted by Schmurrr
(Post 22559445)
Please consider that body cavity searches are also invasive, and they would catch a category of hidden items that the NOSs miss. Are you a proponent of body cavity searches for all? Or do you admit that freedom and security must be balanced?
I assume that your question about balancing freedom and security is rhetorical, -- of course they must be balanced. The scans are already taking place. The person who reads them already cannot see who is being scanned. The only change I'm advocating is to provide the TSA officers with additional information, information which is already being generated by the equipment but then not shown to the officers.
Originally Posted by Schmurrr
(Post 22559445)
It is more likely that my relative will die in a car crash, will be shot by a cop, will die from using prescription medicine, will die from cancer, will die from heart disease, etc.
Originally Posted by Schmurrr
(Post 22559445)
Maybe the government could spend taxpayer money on highway safety and medical research instead of on NOSs and mass surveillance!
Originally Posted by Schmurrr
(Post 22559445)
I do not think anybody here says that airport security is unnecessary. It should just be cost-effective, proportionate to the threat, and consistent with Constitutional and human rights.
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Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 22561230)
ROTFLAMO!!
You guys crack me up, seriously! The TSA knows nothing more about what happened than anyone else (you included), yet you guys are trying to make predictions about how TSA will react? Why not wait until something actually turns up before doning tin hats and predicting the end of the world? Anyway, I just had to see what type of silly was going on here because of that incident, or non-incident, depending. Nice to know that some things never change. Seriously, you guys are funnier than Don Rickels. 1. Invent threats that only they can eliminate; 2. Maintain a level of fear in the public in order to force the population to have to rely on them for their very existence; and, 3. Institute a very visible change to its regulatory procedures any time there is a contingency event in the transportation sector. Example: For months, the TSA had wrestled with shoes on or off. The TSA really wanted to make everyone take their shoes off but didn't have a reason -- not even Richard Reid. The implausible liquid bomber event happened and the TSA immediately required all shoes off. What do underwear bombs and shoes have in common? Absolutely nothing. Second example: The underwear bomber. This was a great excuse to ramp up use of nude-o-scopes and trace detector systems that can't tell the difference between chemicals in explosives and the same chemicals in lawn fertilizer, heart pills, and hand lotion. There is no incentive to design such as machine, because sending ordinary citizens into the mandatory private room so a clerk can fondle their genitals with the front of their hands three times keeps the public fear at an appropriate level. The fear level was so high that people willingly allowed themselves to be irradiated with ionizing radiation known to cause cancer and which was concentrated on the skin and the eyes. So, I look at what the TSA really wants to do but hasn't had an excuse to implement. "What's left?", I ask myself. "Interrogations" is my answer to my own question. Pistole desperately wants an excuse to expand the SPOTNik program to include Israeli-style interviews of all passengers. That's been a pretty consistent theme of him for the past couple of years. MH 370 is his opportunity to implement this. Who will question him? Not the president...not Congress...and certainly not the traveling public who just want to catch their flight. The flying public who would complain the loudest has been taken out of the debate thanks to the PreCheck extortion racket. |
Originally Posted by Dr. HFH
(Post 22563963)
Your example of body cavity searches is inapposite because Nude-o-Scopes will find items like guns, knives, bullets, bombs, etc., just as easily in a body cavity as they will in a pocket or strapped to the outside of your body. One of the reasons to use them, IMO.
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Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 22561230)
ROTFLAMO!!
You guys crack me up, seriously! The TSA knows nothing more about what happened than anyone else (you included), yet you guys are trying to make predictions about how TSA will react?
Originally Posted by Dr. HFH
(Post 22563963)
Those cost-benefit assessments are interesting creatures. The auto industry faces it all the time; I wonder how they do it. But what's it worth to you to keep an explosive device armed terrorist off the flight that your child is on? Is there an amount above which you would say that it's not worth the expenditure?
As I said above, please tell me the amount of money spent on making your child safe on a plane above which you think that it's not worth the expenditure. But look at it this way: Your odds of dying in a car accident on that drive to the airport are way, way, way higher than a terrorist sneaking a bomb onto a plane. But I'm not willing to set the speed limit at 20 MPH and let the police set up checkpoints every five miles, which surely would have a higher cost/benefit result than what the TSA does. Mike |
Originally Posted by Dr. HFH
(Post 22563963)
...Nude-o-Scopes will find items like guns, knives, bullets, bombs, etc., just as easily in a body cavity as they will in a pocket or strapped to the outside of your body....
Originally Posted by Dr. HFH
(Post 22563963)
...As I said above, please tell me the amount of money spent on making your child safe on a plane above which you think that it's not worth the expenditure.
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Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much
(Post 22564230)
The point is that the the actual cause of the crash and the TSA's reaction doesn't have to be congruous. The TSA is in the threat business. In order to perpetuate itself,....
Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much
(Post 22564230)
Pistole desperately wants an excuse to expand the SPOTNik program to include Israeli-style interviews of all passengers.
Originally Posted by petaluma1
(Post 22564806)
(And BTW, I don't believe that you were allowed to see your own scan.)
Originally Posted by petaluma1
(Post 22564806)
If NOS could see into body cavities, women by the score would be pulled out of line because they were using a tampon. One of the reasons why NOS is so ineffective is because it CANNOT see into body cavities.
Originally Posted by mikeef
(Post 22565070)
But look at it this way: Your odds of dying in a car accident on that drive to the airport are way, way, way higher than a terrorist sneaking a bomb onto a plane.
Originally Posted by mikeef
(Post 22565070)
But I'm not willing to set the speed limit at 20 MPH and let the police set up checkpoints every five miles, which surely would have a higher cost/benefit result than what the TSA does.
Originally Posted by Schmurrr
(Post 22565795)
Please do some research on these devices re: their capabilities and the backscatter x-ray and millimeter wave technologies.
I could as easily say the same to you, -- Do some research into what these devices used to show before they were dumbed down. But that doesn't add any substance to this conversation, now, does it?
Originally Posted by Schmurrr
(Post 22565795)
Irrelevant. A better question is, "How much taxpayer money do I want the government to spend violating the Constitutional and human rights of every flyer in the U.S. when the terror threat is infinitesimal and the funds could be far better spent fighting threats that pose greater danger to my child, your child, and the child who does not fly?"
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Originally Posted by Dr. HFH
(Post 22566591)
Agree that the terror threat is extremely small. One problem, however, is that the mortality rate from the average in-flight terrorist act is much higher than that from the average car crash. As I said above, this is one of the hard choices which societies have to make to make.
You are comparing the wrong numbers. |
Originally Posted by mikeef
(Post 22546552)
I like to think that someone at the TSA is going to look at the situation and say, "Ya know, airport security had nothing to do with this one. Maybe we're overestimating the threat and should just go back to the way things were before 9/11."
Mike |
Originally Posted by Himeno
(Post 22566660)
o.O Car crashes happen more often, even after accounting for the difference in amount of cars on the road and flights. The ratio of car accidents:cars on road is far higher then aircraft related incidents:flights. You are comparing the wrong numbers.
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Originally Posted by Dr. HFH
(Post 22566701)
No, not the wrong numbers, just different from the ones you're using. No question, car accidents occur with a much higher frequency. I'm just saying that if you look only at the universe of accidents, air accidents have a much higher chance of being fatal that car accidents.
I suspect there are relatively few people who spend more hours in airplanes than they do exposed to car accidents (as drivers, passengers or pedestrians). |
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