It's not a safety issue. It's pure, un-American crap that should be eliminated and those responsible for its inception and continued use tried and sent to prison.

Which countries does this apply to? I know North Korea is one.

Yeesh... maybe the no-fly list is overused, maybe there should be more transparency, greater ease of challenging your status, etc. I wouldn't disagree with any of that. Just saying that it doesn't mean you're not allowed to leave the country by other means, which is what this forum is about. In the cases I'm talking about, leaving the country requires written permission.

Permission to leave some countries is controlled by making it very difficult to obtain an external passport, e.g. Cuba, central Asia, several African countries.

I'm not sure if it's still true, but if you were a foreigner on a work assignment in Saudi Arabia, your host company was required to take and hold your passport until you could leave.

The last time I was a resident of Canada has no bearing on the quantity and recentness of my experiences with the CBSA, but I visit at least once a year, and few years ago familty business required me to visit many times a year.

With regard to summer students not working "primary line" (what I call passport control) I have been screened by kids in YYC and YUL many times. But you don't have to take my word for it; take the word of an adult CBSA officer who has posted on FT. E.g., http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/11081326-post14.html. Here are the relevant posts:
There is at least one other post by yyzvoyageur in reply to me on the topic of kids staffing the CBSA passport control boths; you can use search to find it.

Moreover, http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/job-emplo...-aesf-eng.html makes it pretty clear that these are positions that deal with arriving travelers.
Why are they learning to handle guns? To man the Alberta Rat Patrol?

Here is some more:


http://www.thestar.com/news/investig...s_borders.html
Go to the link to see a photo of the little cherubs in uniform.


As to grey heads in a second career, you might be correct. Nonetheless, some are not, and of those who are, they will tend to have more common sense than the teenager manning the booth.

Finally as to your insinuation regarding my observation that the CBSA officers in passport control don't read books while waiting for "customers", I observed this once arriving from DEN on a night time United flight into either YEG or YYC. I was one of the first off the plane, sitting in F, and the arrivals hall was pretty empty.
The CBP will inspect the electronic lists and sometimes single out departing pax for inspection. In addition the CBP will sometimes set up shop in a jetway of a departing flight checking passports and wallets (for more than $10K in cash). These checks are not to be confused with TSA inspections. Finally, at land borders the CBP sometimes does secondary inspections.

You can search FT for first hand examples or links to CBP exit controls.

In any of those cases, will CBP say, "Sorry, you haven't received permission to leave the country"?

Yes, but not in those exact words.

Turkey has a visa requirement for US citizens in the main now? None of my tourist visits there in the past ten years have required me to send in my US passport to a Turkish embassy/consulate for a visa -- just a nominal payment of cash at say IST to get some payment stickers placed in my passport and then a stamp -- not much different than Chile's procedure for US citizens.

I'm surprised about Pakistan at number 8, that high?
How are they intimidating?
Could be corruption?

I believe the script starts like "you have the right to remain silent, ...", followed by a long term stop at the Homeland Suites.

(Thx, I will here for the rest of the month, try the shrimp.).

Lol.

It's technically a Visa on Arrival for Turkey now, where none was previously required. You need to get one each time you enter. For Chile, it's not technically a visa, just a fee. You pay $140 or so once and it's good for the 10 years of the passport. I think Argentina is now the same (but the fee is new in the last 3 or 4 years).

Who said anything about teenagers? Summer students are those who are in a temporary seasonal position that is usually related to their post secondary education and are NOT primary peace officers. This is regardless of age. If you are 18 and a peace officer (absolute minimum age to go through the academy) you are not a summer student!

If you are a laid off 56 yr old worker going back to school for re training and take a seasonal support position to enhance your work experience (and assist actual officers that are younger than you) then you could very well be a summer student.

Asa frequent traveller myself ive never seen anyone cbsa officer reading personal books while on duty. I would highly doubt with the amount of surveillance (and the amount of competition for such a lucrative job) that they would risk their careers in doing that.

The thread to that FT link says cannot be found. Regardless I believe my point still stand that exposes ageism we are seeing between generations.

The star article is from 3 years ago and clearly indicates the supportive type position n they work in (asking pax questions while waiing for luggage, crowd control, assisting officers in their primary/secomdary etc). Thy do not work as primary (booth) or secondary (back room) inspection officers who have the power of arrest and to commence an investigative detention on you. This is no different than an auxilliary police officer or special constable working alongside regular officers in a supportive capacity, during roadside checks.

Having kmown people that have (and currently still do) work for cbsa your primary and secondary inspections are dealt/lead by permanent full time peace officers(who can carry a guns). Someone that you determine to look too young to be a"real" officer is a cognitive bias that you will have to deal with.

There are many peace officers in Canada who decided to forgo university and go direct to police college or to the academy and start working before their peers and friends are even out of university (and a salary much higher than american law enforcement recruits could dream of). A cultural difference that many in America, are not familiar with.

Are you talking about Brunei or another VWP country that canes people for immigration violations? There is at least one other that I am familiar with..

No offence Spiff... but "tried and sent to prison" is also "un-American.."

You could easily have said "Tried, and if found guilty of an offence, sent to prison" , I will not speculate on why you phrased it the way you did...

Did you read the post you quoted? It states Brunei.

From Brunei to Singapore. The latter has at least a more robust legal system.