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Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 21610712)
The grateful party should be the receiving state and its residents, as the hosting nation benefits from increased export revenue and higher earnings that are a direct result of foreign visitors.
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Originally Posted by AlreadyThere
(Post 21610784)
I wholeheartedly disagree. Countries should have a reason for requiring visas other than just a show of government authority.
I find it rather colonial approach, that we (whoever it is) have a rightful need to have a strict visa regime in place for incoming visitors, but expect to be treated differently by the home states of the same visitors. |
Originally Posted by AlreadyThere
(Post 21610784)
Countries should have a reason for requiring visas other than just a show of government authority.
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Originally Posted by AlreadyThere
(Post 21606526)
Well, not really. The US is trying to solve a specific problem that is almost certainly not a problem for Brazil, namely citizens of the other country intending to overstay a visa-free period, possibly to work. It's why the US doesn't require a visa for citizens of W Europe, Singapore, Japan etc. but does require one for E Europe, most of S America, etc. even though those places don't require visas for US citizens.
So it's kind of a false reciprocity. |
Originally Posted by WilcoRoger
(Post 21614730)
And of course the United States and its (their?) residents do not need the benefits from increased export revenue and higher earnings you mention?
Some countries shoot themselves in the foot by becoming less welcoming or partnering with those who are less welcoming -- the US has certainly cost itself a bunch of money, not that it is in as much need of foreign hard currency reserves as some other countries with large debt overhangs and higher inflation figures. |
Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 21615805)
the US has certainly cost itself a bunch of money, not that it is in as much need of foreign hard currency reserves as some other countries with large debt overhangs
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Originally Posted by AlreadyThere
(Post 21608582)
Israel -- depends on who you are (thorough profiling, which I believe is justified in their case)
I will not visit Israel by air, and am unlikely to do so by land, either. :td: |
Originally Posted by makos
(Post 21615756)
What do you consider E Europe? All the former Soviet block countries that are now part of the EU do not require VISAs to the US anyomre. They are on the VWP also.
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Originally Posted by Sjoerd
(Post 21616037)
Indeed. You should be grateful the USA doesn't have any debts. ;)
... and given how much borrowing power the US has used and how dependent the foreign creditors and international markets are on the USD and US debt instruments and derivatives on those securities, the US is in a rather different and unique financial position and has been in such position for decades. Not that it will necessarily all end well -- as it will take down a lot of "creditors" and others down with it. :eek: |
Originally Posted by Sjoerd
(Post 21616134)
Not all of them. Poland, Bulgaria, Romania and Croatia do not qualify for VWP.
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Originally Posted by makos
(Post 21616269)
Croatia just joined the EU:) but you are right on the others.
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Originally Posted by LETTERBOY
(Post 21615009)
IMO, sovereign nations have the right to use whatever criteria they choose when deciding who to admit to their country. If Brazil doesn't like how we admit people to the US, tough. It's our country. Conversely, if the US doesn't like how Brazil admits people, tough. It's their country.
On a micro scale, it's like when a border guard gives you a hard time not because he suspects anything, but just because he feels like demonstrating his authority over you. Of course he has the legal right to do this. |
I think if you turned around your argumentation, ie "countries have the right to waive visa requirements" the picture would be rather different - and actually if you think of the language used by the US, as in "visa waiver programme" it seems that the need for visas is the general rule.
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Originally Posted by WilcoRoger
(Post 21622843)
I think if you turned around your argumentation, ie "countries have the right to waive visa requirements" the picture would be rather different - and actually if you think of the language used by the US, as in "visa waiver programme" it seems that the need for visas is the general rule.
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I believe the truly most vile exercise of border crossing authority comes from those governments that require exit visas, from visitors and/or their own citizens.
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