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Originally Posted by cottonmather0
(Post 21288406)
On the one hand, I can understand - not agree, but understand - why they check names and boarding passes of adults due to the no fly list,
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Originally Posted by MariaP
(Post 21288150)
I don't get the "admit your name" game.
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Originally Posted by chollie
(Post 21289200)
?? Confirming names (verbally) and boarding passes has nothing to do with the no fly list or the watch list, at least not at this time. The TDC has no special hardware that enables him/her to scan your BP and check it against a government database to verify that the name on the BP isn't on the NFL or watch list.
Originally Posted by SeriouslyLost
(Post 21290919)
I could be wrong, but I suspect that the person sitting at the desk checking boarding passes and ID's does not remember the names on the no fly list.
No, the TDC cannot check your name against the list. But there are other places in the process where your name is checked against the list which could easily be thwarted by simply using a boarding pass with a name other than the passenger's own. So, in addition to revenue protection for the airlines, the TDC checking your boarding pass and ID is intended to prevent someone on the list from gaining access to the secure area using a boarding pass that wasn't originally issued in his own name. So, like I said, I don't agree with the underlying policy - at all - but there is a logical reason why they match boarding passes to ID's. |
Originally Posted by cottonmather0
(Post 21296820)
No, the TDC cannot check your name against the list. But there are other places in the process where your name is checked against the list which could easily be thwarted by simply using a boarding pass with a name other than the passenger's own. So, in addition to revenue protection for the airlines, the TDC checking your boarding pass and ID is intended to prevent someone on the list from gaining access to the secure area using a boarding pass that wasn't originally issued in his own name.
So, like I said, I don't agree with the underlying policy - at all - but there is a logical reason why they match boarding passes to ID's. There simply is no benefit for a citizen answering ANY question on any subject from a TSA clerk. The ID checker is taught that they are the last line of defense in the War on Terror/Drugs/Deadbeat Dads/Cash/etc, and that the survival of the United States is at stake. Therefore, everyone approaching them is evil until they are satisfied otherwise. Remember how it got started. Kippie once said, "ID matters." |
Originally Posted by cottonmather0
(Post 21296820)
No, the TDC cannot check your name against the list. But there are other places in the process where your name is checked against the list which could easily be thwarted by simply using a boarding pass with a name other than the passenger's own. So, in addition to revenue protection for the airlines, the TDC checking your boarding pass and ID is intended to prevent someone on the list from gaining access to the secure area using a boarding pass that wasn't originally issued in his own name.
So, like I said, I don't agree with the underlying policy - at all - but there is a logical reason why they match boarding passes to ID's. Of course, someone could pass the TDC with fake IDs (the Israelis used fake Australian passports to get into Dubai to conduct an assassination, IIRC). Fake IDs are not a hazard to aviation safety. Hint: there's no similar ID check at airports worldwide. Perhaps because checkpoint security there is not a dragnet for crime and revenue protection, it is focused on one mission, and only one: the security of the aircraft. |
Originally Posted by cottonmather0
(Post 21296820)
No, the TDC cannot check your name against the list. But there are other places in the process where your name is checked against the list which could easily be thwarted by simply using a boarding pass with a name other than the passenger's own. So, in addition to revenue protection for the airlines, the TDC checking your boarding pass and ID is intended to prevent someone on the list from gaining access to the secure area using a boarding pass that wasn't originally issued in his own name.
So, like I said, I don't agree with the underlying policy - at all - but there is a logical reason why they match boarding passes to ID's. Unless you do something monumentally stupid which causes a real LEO to run a check on your ID that reveals that it's phony, the ID checks are totally and completely worthless. |
Jeez, fellas.... I'm not at all endorsing ID checks. I don't agree with it and I don't support it. All I'm saying it that the stated reasoning makes sense in the theoretical system they've conjured up and that asking minor children their name is inappropriate and has nothing to do with "security".
And I wasn't saying anything about the name game. That's completely worthless and proves nothing and even the logic behind it is ludicrous. |
Originally Posted by cottonmather0
(Post 21296820)
the TDC checking your boarding pass and ID is intended to prevent someone on the list from gaining access to the secure area using a boarding pass that wasn't originally issued in his own name.
So, like I said, I don't agree with the underlying policy - at all - but there is a logical reason why they match boarding passes to ID's. Checking names & ID's at entry to the sterile area is laughable. There's no defending it. ETA: I realize you said "intended" but it's so childish an intention on the TSA's part that it's not worth defending, and barely even worth mentioning. It's completely irrational for anyone to think it might work. It should be laughed out of Dodge for the joke that it is. :) |
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