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danielonn Jun 19, 2013 6:29 pm

TSA Advanced Passenger Information
 
It has always dawned on me why the airlines require you to enter your passport details for international travel but you are not required to enter your Drivers License or State ID number for domestic travel.

Wouldn't it make sense for passengers to be required to enter their Drivers License or State ID or whatever ID they plan to use when booking the reservation? It would be a good idea to have either the Drivers License State ID and Passport ID# stored in the profile and the DHS would be able to see if you have a warrant or other suspicious circumstance and not clear you to fly.

One other idea is before you can print your boarding pass the DHS could have you fill out a survey answering questions like a "Pre-screen" survey that they do for job selection online. In return for answering psychological based questions you can be allowed to bring on liquids etc. Of course your background check is run at the time as well.

chollie Jun 19, 2013 6:35 pm


Originally Posted by danielonn (Post 20954590)
It has always dawned on me why the airlines require you to enter your passport details for international travel but you are not required to enter your Drivers License or State ID number for domestic travel.

Wouldn't it make sense for passengers to be required to enter their Drivers License or State ID or whatever ID they plan to use when booking the reservation? It would be a good idea to have either the Drivers License State ID and Passport ID# stored in the profile and the DHS would be able to see if you have a warrant or other suspicious circumstance and not clear you to fly.

One other idea is before you can print your boarding pass the DHS could have you fill out a survey answering questions like a "Pre-screen" survey that they do for job selection online. In return for answering psychological based questions you can be allowed to bring on liquids etc. Of course your background check is run at the time as well.

How long do you think this would take for folks who check-in and print BPs at the airport?

catocony Jun 19, 2013 6:42 pm


Originally Posted by chollie (Post 20954622)
How long do you think this would take for folks who check-in and print BPs at the airport?

I think this is just a somewhat poor attempt by the OP to be sarcastic. At least, I hope so.

exbayern Jun 19, 2013 9:08 pm


Originally Posted by catocony (Post 20954656)
At least, I hope so.

As do I, because this thread scares me.

tkey75 Jun 20, 2013 7:01 am


Originally Posted by danielonn (Post 20954590)

Wouldn't it make sense for passengers to be required to enter their Drivers License or State ID or whatever ID they plan to use when booking the reservation? It would be a good idea to have either the Drivers License State ID and Passport ID# stored in the profile and the DHS would be able to see if you have a warrant or other suspicious circumstance and not clear you to fly.

Despite what the DHS would have you believe, or themselves are unsure about, there is no ID requirement to fly and the checkpoint is not a dragnet for violators of the law. I'd like to say that even the TSA understands it would have a hard time testing such a requirement against the Constitution, but they're just belligerent enough to think they could.

patom Jun 20, 2013 7:19 am

WOW just WOW!

Spiff Jun 20, 2013 8:55 am


Originally Posted by danielonn (Post 20954590)
It has always dawned on me why the airlines require you to enter your passport details for international travel but you are not required to enter your Drivers License or State ID number for domestic travel.

Wouldn't it make sense for passengers to be required to enter their Drivers License or State ID or whatever ID they plan to use when booking the reservation? It would be a good idea to have either the Drivers License State ID and Passport ID# stored in the profile and the DHS would be able to see if you have a warrant or other suspicious circumstance and not clear you to fly.

One other idea is before you can print your boarding pass the DHS could have you fill out a survey answering questions like a "Pre-screen" survey that they do for job selection online. In return for answering psychological based questions you can be allowed to bring on liquids etc. Of course your background check is run at the time as well.

Definitely not.

TSA/DHS should have access to no passenger information, not more. It is none of their business who flies. Ever.

RadioGirl Jun 20, 2013 9:25 am


Originally Posted by danielonn (Post 20954590)
It has always dawned on me why the airlines require you to enter your passport details for international travel but you are not required to enter your Drivers License or State ID number for domestic travel.

Wouldn't it make sense for passengers to be required to enter their Drivers License or State ID or whatever ID they plan to use when booking the reservation? It would be a good idea to have either the Drivers License State ID and Passport ID# stored in the profile and the DHS would be able to see if you have a warrant or other suspicious circumstance and not clear you to fly.

One other idea is before you can print your boarding pass the DHS could have you fill out a survey answering questions like a "Pre-screen" survey that they do for job selection online. In return for answering psychological based questions you can be allowed to bring on liquids etc. Of course your background check is run at the time as well.

Uhh.

Maybe you'd prefer to just drop in at your local police station and report yourself for any negative thoughts you've had about the government. Make sure, while you're there, to tell them about the strange (and therefore probably sinister) things your neighbors are doing, too. It's also okay to turn in members of your own family. In the interest of safety, of course.

I think you're living in the wrong country. I hear NKorea is lovely this time of year.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Oh, and I'm really curious about what "psychological based" questions would reliably indicate if a person's liquids are explosive or not.

chollie Jun 20, 2013 9:29 am

I don't know of any other country in the world that does an ID check at the checkpoint.

What difference does it make who I am if security does its job properly (ensuring the airplane takes off and lands free from pax-perpetrated actions)?

If security does its job properly, I can't board the plane with anything that can be used to take control of or critically damage the plane - even if I am King of the Bad Guys.

Note: I mentioned pax-perpetrated actions, because we are still at risk (in the US, anyway) from unscreened airport and TSA employees - all of whom have allegedly had a background check once when they got hired and an acceptable government-issued ID. Don't you think it would be appropriate, in the interests of aviation security, to extend checks to them to see if they have outstanding warrants or other suspicious circumstances?

RadioGirl Jun 20, 2013 9:40 am


Originally Posted by chollie (Post 20958107)
I don't know of any other country in the world that does an ID check at the checkpoint.

What difference does it make who I am if security does its job properly (ensuring the airplane takes off and lands free from pax-perpetrated actions)?

If security does its job properly, I can't board the plane with anything that can be used to take control of or critically damage the plane - even if I am King of the Bad Guys.

Awww, there you go again, spoiling a perfectly bad good TSA fantasy with logic. :( You've been here long enough to know better! ;)

chollie Jun 20, 2013 9:47 am


Originally Posted by RadioGirl (Post 20958175)
Awww, there you go again, spoiling a perfectly bad good TSA fantasy with logic. :( You've been here long enough to know better! ;)

I'm living proof I need to be protected from myself. Even on the internet. :p

janetdoe Jun 20, 2013 12:23 pm


Originally Posted by danielonn (Post 20954590)
It has always dawned on me why the airlines require you to enter your passport details for international travel but you are not required to enter your Drivers License or State ID number for domestic travel.

<snip>It would be a good idea to have either the Drivers License State ID and Passport ID# stored in the profile and the DHS would be able to see if you have a warrant or other suspicious circumstance and not clear you to fly.

1. It is because technically, it is a CBP requirement for you to have a passport (a few rare exceptions) to leave the country by air, and almost certain that whatever country you are visiting will require a passport for you to enter.
http://www.united.com/web/en-us/img/travel/depdoc.jpg
This AA thread has some interesting perspectives: http://www.flyertak.com/forum/americ...unication.html

2. You honestly think that people should be forbidden to travel by air because they have a 'suspicious circumstance'? In America, people have rights by default and we require due process to remove or deny those rights (or at least we used to, pre-9/11). Ditto to the person who suggested you move to North Korea. You don't deserve to live in America.

DillMan Jun 20, 2013 3:09 pm

I think this is a splendid idea. I mean - look back at, say, the late 1930's and how easy travel around occupied, I mean, Central Europe was at the time. The governments in power at that time did a lot of the same things, albeit without computers. Just think how many more checks we could run with the power of modern day technology!!!

exbayern Jun 20, 2013 3:15 pm


Originally Posted by RadioGirl (Post 20958080)
Uhh.

Maybe you'd prefer to just drop in at your local police station and report yourself for any negative thoughts you've had about the government. Make sure, while you're there, to tell them about the strange (and therefore probably sinister) things your neighbors are doing, too. It's also okay to turn in members of your own family. In the interest of safety, of course.

I think you're living in the wrong country. I hear NKorea is lovely this time of year.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Oh, and I'm really curious about what "psychological based" questions would reliably indicate if a person's liquids are explosive or not.

OP, what are your guidelines for these questions? What is defined as questionable behaviour? Does posting on TS&S put one at risk? Does advising people to fake an injury in order to preboard fall into the category of questionable behaviour? What about all of us furriners who won't come up in a background check; are we no longer permitted to fly in the US?

(I realised that this isn't actually sarcastic, but a serious proposal)

And now I am even more frightened.

Badenoch Jun 21, 2013 7:49 am


Originally Posted by janetdoe (Post 20959232)
2. You honestly think that people should be forbidden to travel by air because they have a 'suspicious circumstance'? In America, people have rights by default and we require due process to remove or deny those rights (or at least we used to, pre-9/11). Ditto to the person who suggested you move to North Korea. You don't deserve to live in America.

In a nation that unapologetically scrutinizes its citizens with airborne drones, monitors their cell phone and Internet use, demands pictures of you naked before letting you on a plane or pat downs approaching sexual assault it sounds like the OP represents the paranoid national outlook brilliantly.

He most definitely deserves to live in America. Sounds like he fits right in.


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