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gfunkdave Mar 27, 2013 1:36 pm

Abundance of caution...and pepper spray
 
Out of an abundance of caution, a JFK TSA'er pepper sprayed himself and five coworkers to determine if the pepper spray was real.

http://gothamist.com/2013/03/27/tsa_...epper_spra.php


A Port Authority source tells the Post the agent, one Chris Yves "Barney Fife" Dabel, was “playing around” with the pepper spray after finding it on the floor.
I mean, really, just when you think the TSA couldn't possibly be and dumber, they go and prove you wrong.

mikeef Mar 27, 2013 1:43 pm

As my four year-old would say, "He's so silly!"

Mike

petaluma1 Mar 27, 2013 2:11 pm


Originally Posted by gfunkdave (Post 20493070)


I mean, really, just when you think the TSA couldn't possibly be and dumber, they go and prove you wrong.

Doesn't it just make your day? :D

They just can't get out of their own way.

readywhenyouare Mar 27, 2013 2:28 pm

I'd say a combination of stupidity and karma. Either way it put a smile on my face to hear about this!

cordelli Mar 27, 2013 2:56 pm

Six TSA agents in the hospital over this. It's a proud day at the agency.

InkUnderNails Mar 27, 2013 3:01 pm

"Here's your sign!"

HawaiiTrvlr Mar 27, 2013 3:11 pm

I wonder how Blogger Bob can spin this one. I would be extremely pissed off if I was one of the 6 that were sent to the hospital.

Fredd Mar 27, 2013 3:18 pm


Originally Posted by cordelli (Post 20493572)
Six TSA agents in the hospital over this. It's a proud day at the agency.

What's the TSA equivalent of a Purple Heart?

MrsGraupel Mar 27, 2013 3:42 pm


Originally Posted by Fredd (Post 20493692)
What's the TSA equivalent of a Purple Heart?

A six-pack of Cinnabons?

Wally Bird Mar 27, 2013 4:16 pm

Another one for the Hall of Fame :)

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/christ-y...bel/47/94b/78a

BubbaLoop Mar 27, 2013 4:17 pm

Bottomless pit of incompetence. Incredible.

goalie Mar 27, 2013 4:20 pm


Thought it was a laser pointer
Yeah, and I thought I saw a puddy tat :rolleyes:

And with that, something doesn't make sense as there's this....


To test his hypothesis, he proceeded to spray five other TSA agents around him
and then this......


Officers were examining an abandoned item to determine its contents and to move it out of harm’s way when it accidentally discharged
:confused:

Pup7 Mar 27, 2013 4:41 pm

If I'd sprayed five coworkers with pepper spray to "test [my] hypothesis" when I was an Air Force cop, I would've gotten at least an Article 15 - essentially the last line of punishment before a court-martial proceeding. I wonder what (won't) will happen to these yahoos since the incident is already being covered up as an accident by the TSA.

Pepper spray doesn't "accidentally" discharge. It's specifically designed not to for obvious reasons. Even the civilianized versions aren't just aim and shoot. And if the bottle was damaged and leaking, only the person picking it up and maybe one other would be affected. Not FIVE.

Boggie Dog Mar 27, 2013 4:42 pm


Originally Posted by Fredd (Post 20493692)
What's the TSA equivalent of a Purple Heart?

There is no equivalent. Nothing TSA does is worthy of a Medal for Valor.

coachrowsey Mar 27, 2013 5:46 pm

:D:D ROTFL, just when you think you've heard it all.

Wally Bird Mar 27, 2013 5:47 pm


Originally Posted by Pup7 (Post 20494077)
If I'd sprayed five coworkers with pepper spray to "test [my] hypothesis" when I was an Air Force cop, I would've gotten at least an Article 15 - essentially the last line of punishment before a court-martial proceeding. I wonder what (won't) will happen to these yahoos since the incident is already being covered up as an accident by the TSA.

Pepper spray doesn't "accidentally" discharge. It's specifically designed not to for obvious reasons. Even the civilianized versions aren't just aim and shoot. And if the bottle was damaged and leaking, only the person picking it up and maybe one other would be affected. Not FIVE.

Don't try to apply logic or rational behavior to the TSA. The other five may have been just innocent[sic] victims, but this clown is apparently a highly-trained BDO :rolleyes: and should be demoted back down to the baggage hall.

Even if you're certain it's a laser pointer, you DO NOT point it at anyone else.
Indicative of the general intelligence level of TSA workers I suppose.

RadioGirl Mar 27, 2013 6:05 pm


Originally Posted by HawaiiTrvlr (Post 20493655)
I wonder how Blogger Bob can spin this one. I would be extremely pissed off if I was one of the 6 that were sent to the hospital.

"To protect the traveling public, our brave TSOs wrestled the pepper spray to the ground and discharged the contents. Every day, our highly-trained officers risk their lives on the Front Line of the War On Terror to prevent harm from dangerous items like this." :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Fredd (Post 20493692)
What's the TSA equivalent of a Purple Heart?

A purple face? :D

Spiff Mar 27, 2013 6:09 pm

Does one have to feel even slightly ashamed/guilty for the word "schadenfreude" to apply?

The pepper spray discharger brings visions of this episode of the Simpsons, especially around 0:40 or so.

azcoyote Mar 27, 2013 6:17 pm

That it needed a trip to the hospital would be funny too, if our taxes weren't paying for it. Pepper spray exposure is not a hospital level event.

FlyingUnderTheRadar Mar 27, 2013 6:56 pm

Just can't make this stuff up !!!

InkUnderNails Mar 27, 2013 8:25 pm

Famous last words: "Hey, want to see something neat?"

I had a coworker many years ago that would say this from time to time and we would all dive under the heaviest table we could find.

RadioGirl Mar 27, 2013 8:40 pm


Originally Posted by RadioGirl (Post 20494486)
"To protect the traveling public, our brave TSOs wrestled the pepper spray to the ground and discharged the contents. Every day, our highly-trained officers risk their lives on the Front Line of the War On Terror to prevent harm from dangerous items like this." :rolleyes:

Wow, I hadn't even read the article when I posted the above, but look how close I got:

Originally Posted by The Gothamist
A spokesperson for the TSA gave us this statement: “Yesterday morning, out of an abundance of caution, six TSA officers at JFK Airport were transported to a local hospital after being exposed to pepper spray. Officers were examining an abandoned item to determine its contents and to move it out of harm’s way when it accidentally discharged. Travelers and other airport employees were not exposed to the spray.”

You literally can't make this stuff up; my attempt at a joke was indistinguishable from the real TSA statement!

WillCAD Mar 28, 2013 4:00 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCeD2gF9jUo

Pepper spray.

DIABOLICAL.

CPT Trips Mar 28, 2013 7:51 am


Originally Posted by Wally Bird (Post 20493960)
Another one for the Hall of Fame :)

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/christ-y...bel/47/94b/78a

Does he reside at Birch Family Services or work there?

BubbaLoop Mar 28, 2013 8:26 am


Originally Posted by RadioGirl (Post 20495132)
Wow, I hadn't even read the article when I posted the above, but look how close I got:

You literally can't make this stuff up; my attempt at a joke was indistinguishable from the real TSA statement!

Maybe you should work as their PR. ;)

Darkumbra Mar 28, 2013 8:48 am

If they ever DO find a bomb in their searches, they will detonate just to make sure they found the big one.

InkUnderNails Mar 28, 2013 9:14 am

TSO finds gun.

Wonders if loaded.

BANG!

Yep.

Pup7 Mar 28, 2013 9:30 am


Originally Posted by Wally Bird (Post 20494401)
Don't try to apply logic or rational behavior to the TSA. The other five may have been just innocent[sic] victims, but this clown is apparently a highly-trained BDO :rolleyes: and should be demoted back down to the baggage hall.
.

(Bolding mine) Even worse.....

And WillCAD - I've been sprayed with it as part of training. It's HIDEOUS. Fortunately I never carried it. (You can't as K9)

FlyingHoustonian Mar 28, 2013 9:33 am


Originally Posted by MrsGraupel (Post 20493793)
A six-pack of Cinnabons?

thanks, I just chortled beverage up my nose ^

WillCAD Mar 28, 2013 10:23 am


Originally Posted by Pup7 (Post 20497463)
(Bolding mine) Even worse.....

And WillCAD - I've been sprayed with it as part of training. It's HIDEOUS. Fortunately I never carried it. (You can't as K9)

Many years ago I got a very peripheral dose of the stuff when some brain surgeon sprayed it inside a store where I was shopping. My throat closed up and felt like I has swallowed a Brillo pad, my eyes teared and swelled, and I could barely breathe until I left the vicinity of the vile, vile stuff. I had no idea what it was until later, but it cleared out the whole store.

My earlier post, though, included a link to a YouTube video of the Light Grenade scene from Mom and Dad Save The World, in which the most DIABOLICAL weapon concocted by the planet of idiots was a grenade emblazoned with the words, "PICK ME UP." Each person picked it up... and vcanished. Then the next one picked it up... and vanished. Soon, it was down to two guys, and as the next-to-last guy reaches for the grenade, the last guy opens his radio and says, "We're going to need reinforcements down here!"

The more dangerous something seems, the more it screams PICK ME UP to a TSO.

chollie Mar 28, 2013 11:13 am

Anyone want to speculate on the outcome if a passenger had picked up an odd item at the checkpoint, 'tested' it and pepper-sprayed 5 TSOs?

I suspect the last thing on his mind was to either toss it or turn it in to the lost and found.

TEPES979 Mar 28, 2013 12:45 pm

How is it even possible to confuse a pepper spray can with a laser pointer ?!

mikeef Mar 28, 2013 12:56 pm


Originally Posted by HawaiiTrvlr (Post 20493655)
I wonder how Blogger Bob can spin this one. I would be extremely pissed off if I was one of the 6 that were sent to the hospital.

"This TSO does not represent the tens of thousands of employees who can go a full day without injuring their co-workers..."


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 20494506)
Does one have to feel even slightly ashamed/guilty for the word "schadenfreude" to apply?

The pepper spray discharger brings visions of this episode of the Simpsons, especially around 0:40 or so.

That's it. You people have held me back long enough. I'm going to Clown College!

Mike

FliesWay2Much Mar 28, 2013 1:03 pm


Originally Posted by Pup7 (Post 20497463)
(Bolding mine) Even worse.....

And WillCAD - I've been sprayed with it as part of training. It's HIDEOUS. Fortunately I never carried it. (You can't as K9)

I had tear gas training when I was stationed overseas in the 1980s. The thing they forget to tell you is that the stuff stays in your clothes until you get undressed and wash your clothes. We were tearing up on the drive back to the main base until we realized what was going on.

Boggie Dog Mar 28, 2013 2:29 pm


Originally Posted by TEPES979 (Post 20498635)
How is it even possible to confuse a pepper spray can with a laser pointer ?!

TSA


edit to add: A comment in the Daily Mail

"TSA.....When just ordinary Idiots won' t do.."

Global_Hi_Flyer Mar 28, 2013 2:33 pm

*snicker*

Since it was an "accident", the 6 probably got administrative leave with pay for the trip to the hospital. The taxpayer will pay for long-term effects of the spray.

WOnder what would have happened if they had confiscated (er, made the passenger "voluntarily surrender") the item and they tossed it in the big barrel where it might have gotten punctured.

chollie Mar 28, 2013 2:41 pm

I wonder if they reviewed the checkpoint tapes to see if the tapes backed up the official story about a group of TSOs trying to safely analyze and disarm an unknown item at the checkpoint.

Or perhaps the tape showed a TSO picking something up, laughing and clowning around with his buddies, the way you do when you think you might be disarming a dangerous item.

HumbleBee Mar 28, 2013 2:58 pm

Hillarious thread. Thanks guys

cordelli Mar 28, 2013 3:30 pm

ABC News said they trying to reach the hero who wrestled the rogue laser pointer to the ground before it transformed into pepper spray (well not saying it in those words) but he has not returned their calls.

Wonder why?

His facebook page says he Graduated from John Jay College of Criminal Justice so they must be proud of him too.

From his resume (which is the same as his linked in above I believe)

Additional Information
Ambitious security professional with more than seven years of experience providing exceptional security services to protect the general public. Six years spent in progressively-senior positions within the United States Department of Homeland Security. Proven track record in high-stress situations that require immediate and independent action. Along with a thorough knowledge of security policies, procedures and expertise in conveying technical language into simpler terms. Experienced with a variety of populations, including at-risk youth and trained to be attentive to suspicious behavior to prevent threats before they occur. Committed to moving forward, with a particular interest in progressing into management positions to help organizations manage and develop staff into sound performance.


Where he also details his responsibilities at the tsa (where he's apparently worked since 2006 in a couple of positions)

Behavior Detection Officer/Master Transportation Security Officer
U.S. Department of Homeland Security/TSA
August 2011 to Present
Perform passive observation and engages in voluntary encounters.
* Determine whether individuals may be involved in harmful activities against transportation systems.
* Assess multiple individuals simultaneously and use defined methods to detect unusual behavior.
* Works closely with team members to assess individuals.
* Documents identified behaviors as the basis for referrals.
* Ensures that superiors are aware of all ongoing activities.
* Prepare incident reports.
* Use established factors to determine whether elevated suspicion exists.
* Report security issues, and concerns to mitigate risks.
* Convey technical language into simpler terms for the traveling public.
* Provide expertise in interpretation of standard operating procedures.


Yet he somehow got pepper spray and a laser pointer confused. OK

Well it's good his resume is already out there, and he's probably been looking for a new position, hopefully he will need it soon.

Letitride3c Mar 28, 2013 3:56 pm

Now, that's entertainment - LMAO on a pre Good Friday day for many travelers. More TSA training for him :rolleyes: but unlikely to change or yield a diffferent outcome, given his vast :o experiences and expertise as stated in his Linkedin - if you believe in his credentials. :td:

When in doubt, don't press it, don't squeeze it, don't pull it, don't move it, and don't aim in ... just look at it straight with your eyes (then, again, maybe not )

Dammit, just call the bomb squad and yell, evacuate the area, keep everyone away, out of an abundance of precaution - afterall, it might be a miniature IED and let the real LEO handle it :confused:

This is going to be an interesting Incident Report to be written up and read about ...

If this stunt was pulled by the traveler, s/he would be a lot of trouble and charges filed for a variety of ...


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