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http://www.azfamily.com/news/Surveil...199267711.html
Perez showed video of the incident to a 3TV crew. He says no footage is available showing the area in which the Marine claims to have taken his prosthetic legs off. "We did our own fact finding and spoke to the officers who were there. Not one said he was asked to take his prosthetics off," Perez told 3TV. |
Originally Posted by saulblum
(Post 20455304)
http://www.azfamily.com/news/Surveil...199267711.html
So according to this article, there is not footage of the alleged misconduct. According to the article, there's no footage, but of course, we have no way of knowing that. If the reporter had been doing his job, he might have asked to visit the checkpoint to be shown the cameras and the areas they do cover. He might have also asked if it is SOP to conduct critical invasive parts of searches in areas known to be outside camera range (if that's the truth). The process couldn't have been expedited? But the marine struggled to stand in the NoS to expedite the process? Where would he get the idea that struggling to balance and stand still with his hands above his head and no canes would be faster or easier? He's shown getting out of the chair a second time because the TSA spokesperson says it was standard procedure that everyone has to go through to get swabbed - the Marine, his prosthetics and chair. That is also a lie - there are pax who are flat-out incapable of getting out of their chair, even with assistance. They and the chair are groped and swabbed while they are in the chair and they never go through a WTMD or scanner. Too bad this fool reporter (like so many of them) didn't bother to do his homework ahead of time and read up on what TSA stated procedures are in this situation. Perhaps he could have asked some more intelligent questions and exposed the mess of inconsistency and lies that he swallowed unchallenged. OTOH, perhaps he feels he's just ensured himself a lifetime harassment-free pass through PHX security. |
Originally Posted by Fizzer
(Post 20454906)
As ex military ( British not US) I think that this stereotype, while commonly held, is actually far from the truth.
Originally Posted by saulblum
(Post 20455304)
So according to this article, there is not footage of the alleged misconduct.
So someone is mistaken or someone is lying. Place your bets.
Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much
(Post 20455239)
It looks like the TSA has already blown off Duncan Hunter and I see no indication that he is interested in staying in Pistole's face.
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Originally Posted by Fizzer
(Post 20454906)
As ex military ( British not US) I think that this stereotype, while commonly held, is actually far from the truth.
I think of the Royal Navy Polaris submarine commander[...] Or Dr Gwynn Dyer ,The Canadian military historian, UK military lecturer and TV documentary maker. |
Originally Posted by Fizzer
(Post 20453668)
Oh boy do I have a lot of issues with some of the quoted comments. FYI my job is to screen people for disability claims and also to screen prospective employees for risk of injury. The latter is TBH a waste of time in my opinion and I typically counsel against it.
There is quite a lot of pretty convincing evidence that the incidence of work injuries is less related to the risks of the job than it is to employee job satisfaction. Whenever I see a quote such as "screeners have one of the federal government's highest rates of job-related injuries, according to the Occupational Safety and Health Administration,"my spidey senses go on high alert. What is actually been said here is that screeners have one of the highest rates of claims made. The two are not the same thing at all. It is the same argument offered by Canada Post unions who claim that because of the number of injuries reported, letter carrying is an inherently dangerous job.The evidence is pretty stong that people who enjoy their jobs are far less likely to make a claim than someone who hates their job with the same injury. When they do have an injury those who are happy at work will experience less pain and disability and will be statistically more likely to return to work, with a shorter duration of disability. Whenever I see information about high rates of injury my first job as a consultant is to tell employers that they need to look at what part of their management style or policies are making your workforce so disatisfied. That is by far the most effective way to reduce injury costs. Far more than pre employment screening, which for the most part is ineffective.Now if the TSA Management applied this philosophy. It is now apparent to me that the reason some agents are so crabby is that they hate their jobs. After four months at home I called my employer and told them I was coming back to work. They laughed and said "um, no, it doesn't work that way". I then called my LTD insurer and told them I was going back to work. She looked at my medicals and said "Um, no, it doesn't work that way". While they were right that I couldn't actually handle 5-days-per-week in the office at the time, between all of us, we found a way for me to ease my way back into work. I'm now back into full time. Yes, I'm tired. Yes I wish this had never happened to me. Yes I could use this as an excuse to never work again and both my employer and LTD insurer would have supported that decision. But that's not me. As for Canada Post ... don't even get me started ... |
Originally Posted by HawaiiTrvlr
(Post 20454668)
I see Blogger Bob has posted his response: "We did nothing wrong...I am a vet myself." He claims all the other reports are being "misreported"
http://blog.tsa.gov/2013/03/wounded-...oenix-was.html http://www.azfamily.com/news/Surveil...199267711.html Then look at the picture in this article: http://www.azcentral.com/community/p...heckpoint.html Then tell me if you see, as I do, a person entering a TSA checkpoint and then same person wearing only one prosthesis. Finally, tell me who is telling the truth here, the Marines or the TSA. |
Originally Posted by petaluma1
(Post 20456968)
Look at the picture in this article:
http://www.azfamily.com/news/Surveil...199267711.html Then look at the picture in this article: http://www.azcentral.com/community/p...heckpoint.html Then tell me if you see, as I do, a person entering a TSA checkpoint and then same person wearing only one prosthesis. Finally, tell me who is telling the truth here, the Marines or the TSA. |
Obviously the TSA is going to deny anything wrong happened unless there is video proof of it. If the parents of the 3 year old girl at STL hadn't recorded that incident, the response from the TSA would have been much different.
Whenever one of the stories pops up and the TSA denies wrongdoing, I have one question. What is the incentive for the passenger to make up their story? I'm sure there are people who would make up a story just to get some fame or try to sue for damages. In this case, and in most others, I don't see why someone would make this up. |
Originally Posted by spd476
(Post 20458049)
Obviously the TSA is going to deny anything wrong happened unless there is video proof of it. If the parents of the 3 year old girl at STL hadn't recorded that incident, the response from the TSA would have been much different.
Whenever one of the stories pops up and the TSA denies wrongdoing, I have one question. What is the incentive for the passenger to make up their story? I'm sure there are people who would make up a story just to get some fame or try to sue for damages. In this case, and in most others, I don't see why someone would make this up. According to TSA, in this incident we have military-on-military, vet-on-vet stories, and one side is lying. Who has a reason to lie? The TSOs certainly have a reason to lie, and I don't think it's coincidence that the vet was taken to a place off-camera. This is the same airport that took a tiny Japanese woman off-camera, surrounded by men and one very large female TSO, for her intimidation and grope. The vets? Anybody ask the vets if they've flown before? And what that experience was like? Or if they 'made up' bogus complaints every time? The spokesman absolutely lied. He explained the video that showed the vet getting back up out of his chair as being standard procedure required to search/swab the vet and the chair. He lied. People and wheelchairs are (reluctantly) screened everyday with the pax never leaving the wheelchair. This vet wasn't given the option, he was told to stand up and get out of the chair so he and the chair could be cleared. The spokesman called the disabled vets liars. |
Originally Posted by HawaiiTrvlr
(Post 20454668)
I see Blogger Bob has posted his response: "We did nothing wrong...I am a vet myself." He claims all the other reports are being "misreported"
http://blog.tsa.gov/2013/03/wounded-...oenix-was.html |
Originally Posted by Schmurrr
(Post 20458869)
If Bob is ex-military, perhaps that is why one of my comments on the TSA Blog was deleted. I referred to the U.S. military's terrible history of ignoring sexual assault within its ranks (providing links to examples and statistics) to make the point that federal employees with security clearances are not necessarily "secure" themselves.
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The TSA has a problem telling the public the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I doubt that this situation is an exception to the TSA's challenges to be honest and completely truthful.
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Originally Posted by SeriouslyLost
(Post 20454762)
Interesting. Bob also claims that 25% of TSA employees are ex-military. That, to me, explains much: the inability to think, the aggressive and mindless following of whatever they think 'the rules' are, the systematic denial of responsibility and avoidance of responsibility for action or inaction, and the generally poor overall performance.[1] It also explains why TSA can't conceive of "security" in anything other than process and military terms, as opposed to "security" terms. As anyone that understands security knows, military /= security.
1. Yes, I know that view won't be popular on a US-dominated board where US culture kneejerks to unthinking deference for all things US military, but that's my professional opinion of the US military overall after 20+ years interacting with it at all levels all over the world. If you don't like that opinion then tough luck. It is, after all, just another opinion. Feel free to ignore it. :) Wow. Just wow. I'm so glad to know your opinion of me and my colleagues. And my two brothers. And my father, gone now for eight years and laid to rest at Arlington. We're not all idiots and mindless morons, regardless of your personal experience. And if you don't like that fact, you can ignore it as well. Sorry, had to say it. Sadly, Schmurr's assertions about sexual assault are pretty much dead on. |
Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 20462860)
The TSA has a problem telling the public the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I doubt that this situation is an exception to the TSA's challenges to be honest and completely truthful.
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 20462860)
The TSA has a problem telling the public the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I doubt that this situation is an exception to the TSA's challenges to be honest and completely truthful.
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