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Pup7 Mar 3, 2013 2:40 am


Originally Posted by MetricFlyer (Post 20346139)
even if they let all 48000 employees go, I'm sure they won't reduce the salary savings in the budget. they'll just find another way to use the extra money to fund some ridiculous project.

my company laid off a bunch of employees, which was supposed to save 2.5 million over two year. three months later, all the executive restrooms were equipped with Toto automatic toilets. 47 units of Toto's top of the line model that will make any Japanese executive red with envy(exact quote from the contractor who was installing them). Tell me what's wrong with that?

This sounds like something that would happen at the DOD. I'm serious.

beofotch Mar 3, 2013 5:30 am

Yesterday a friend with a non usa passport arrived gva - jfk. He set a timer and it took him 2 hours and 20 minutes to get to the cbp agent. Sequester staffing shortage?

Ysitincoach Mar 3, 2013 7:28 am

So with sequestration, is PreCheck the first to go?

Figure they can easily use PreCheck as a political tool to piss off their most frequent users.

nmstough Mar 3, 2013 8:40 am

big delays at Tom Bradley
 
Flew LH out of Tom Bradley terminal Saturday. It took over 1 hour to get through security. Theres a priority lane but they wouldn't allow star gold customers to use it (unless holding a business class or better ticket. The surly agents clearly were engaging in a slowdown - making various snide remarks about how we better get used to this kind of treatment in the sequester. Instead of a nice relaxing wait in the lounge it was a mad dash to the gate with no time to spare. What do we pay all those ridiculous tax and security fees in the price of a ticket for?

BubbaLoop Mar 3, 2013 8:46 am


Originally Posted by beofotch (Post 20350475)
Yesterday a friend with a non usa passport arrived gva - jfk. He set a timer and it took him 2 hours and 20 minutes to get to the cbp agent. Sequester staffing shortage?

No - it has taken me way more than that before, months ago, both in JFK and Dulles. Not Sequester, just general inefficiency.

Global_Hi_Flyer Mar 3, 2013 9:08 am


Originally Posted by BubbaLoop (Post 20351255)
No - it has taken me way more than that before, months ago, both in JFK and Dulles. Not Sequester, just general inefficiency.

Similar experience at ATL - 90 minutes as a US citizen.

ellinj Mar 3, 2013 9:47 am

Still no PreCheck at BOS for US but it was quicker then usual as the RapiScans were removed from Terminal B since the last time I was here.

Spiff Mar 3, 2013 9:50 am

1-866-289-9673 to lodge a formal complaint.

Contact your elected representatives. Do not suggest more money or personnel. In fact, suggest the opposite. Throw these recalcitrant malingerers out of our airports permanently.

FXWizard Mar 3, 2013 5:09 pm

While it's not TSA, the border crossing into Point Roberts, WA was experiencing a slowdown in the NEXUS lane as the CBP agents were checking the trunks of every car going through.

Work to rule? Credible threat resulting in increased security? I have no way of knowing, but I've never seen them taking that much time with NEXUS cardholders before.

exbayern Mar 3, 2013 7:31 pm


Originally Posted by beofotch (Post 20350475)
Yesterday a friend with a non usa passport arrived gva - jfk. He set a timer and it took him 2 hours and 20 minutes to get to the cbp agent. Sequester staffing shortage?

At IAH at a non-peak time/season/day it took me 1h30min or more. On the M&M forum those wait times are routinely reported. That's been the norm for years for non-citizens.

I was interested to see the pre-check TSO at ORD standing and waiting for 'customers' for 15 minutes at a time or more - literally just standing around bored, while the elite queue had a wait time of about 45 minutes. (TSA wait times continue to shock me even though I am generally permitted to use elite queues, compared to my usual 0-10 minutes wait elsewhere)

Bago'peanuts Mar 4, 2013 7:31 am

AP adds to the hysteria:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...03-04-08-39-18

BillsFan Mar 4, 2013 8:59 am


Originally Posted by nmstough (Post 20351231)
Flew LH out of Tom Bradley terminal Saturday. It took over 1 hour to get through security. Theres a priority lane but they wouldn't allow star gold customers to use it (unless holding a business class or better ticket. The surly agents clearly were engaging in a slowdown - making various snide remarks about how we better get used to this kind of treatment in the sequester.

Are the pre-security lanes run by the airlines, airports, or TSA? Any chance calling United or other airlines would help curb this non-traditional limiting of the priority lanes? This kind of passive-aggressive inflicting of inconvenience on travelers is what I fear most from the sequester. Must protect the bureaucracy...

Boggie Dog Mar 4, 2013 10:19 am

And no one suspects fear mongering and/or intentional work slow downs to support Obama's agenda?

InkUnderNails Mar 4, 2013 10:34 am

The absolute worst thing we can do is react. Our attitude should be "Oh, well," and just patiently muddle through. It only works if they think we care.

Spiff Mar 4, 2013 11:40 am


Originally Posted by InkUnderNails (Post 20357640)
The absolute worst thing we can do is react. Our attitude should be "Oh, well," and just patiently muddle through. It only works if they think we care.

And file complaints with request that TSA malingerers be punished and/or TSA eradicated like the disease that it is.

FliesWay2Much Mar 4, 2013 12:11 pm


Originally Posted by InkUnderNails (Post 20357640)
The absolute worst thing we can do is react. Our attitude should be "Oh, well," and just patiently muddle through. It only works if they think we care.

Unless one is an AFS zealot who actually likes the TSA or has bought into the PreCheck extortion, most of us have done all we can do already: stopped or cut back on flying, driving or VTC, opting out, threatening clerks with the most lethal weapon known to the TSA: the video camera, etc. There aren't many of us left who can react.

Boggie Dog Mar 4, 2013 12:53 pm


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 20358137)
And file complaints with request that TSA malingerers be punished and/or TSA eradicated like the disease that it is.

Pistole appears to be TSA's chief malingerer. Complaints to TSA will do nothing.

If anything step up the letters to your electeds particulary to local offices which may get more attention.

Combat Medic Mar 4, 2013 1:14 pm

I'm confused. Why does TSA have a funding problem when they get all of the money from the plane ticket's security fee. Isn't that all of the money that the security companies got pre-911?

Spiff Mar 4, 2013 1:33 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 20358683)
Pistole appears to be TSA's chief malingerer. Complaints to TSA will do nothing.

If anything step up the letters to your electeds particulary to local offices which may get more attention.

Agreed. However, complaints are tallied and stored, even if they're not acted on. Every little bit of ammunition helps in the effort to get this disgusting, un-American agency terminated.

TheRoadie Mar 4, 2013 2:00 pm


Originally Posted by Combat Medic (Post 20358818)
I'm confused. Why does TSA have a funding problem when they get all of the money from the plane ticket's security fee. Isn't that all of the money that the security companies got pre-911?

I'm thinking the sequestration requirement is so insanely stupid that the fee part is ignored, and departmental spending just gets a flat rate cut. Every department, every program (unless specifically exempted), no intelligence is allowed to be brought to bear. It was supposed to be so stupid that it would FORCE a compromise to be negotiated. To say more would invite a transfer to OMNI-ville.

Combat Medic Mar 4, 2013 2:19 pm


Originally Posted by TheRoadie (Post 20359141)
I'm thinking the sequestration requirement is so insanely stupid that the fee part is ignored, and departmental spending just gets a flat rate cut. Every department, every program (unless specifically exempted), no intelligence is allowed to be brought to bear. It was supposed to be so stupid that it would FORCE a compromise to be negotiated. To say more would invite a transfer to OMNI-ville.

I get where you are going, but I am left wondering if the non-allocated funds parts of MWR programs in the military got cut also. BRB, gonna check.

tom911 Mar 4, 2013 4:03 pm

Napolitano: Airport lines have nearly doubled since sequester
 

Wait times at Transportation Security Administration (TSA) checkpoints at major U.S. airports have already nearly doubled since sequestration was implemented, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said on Monday.

Napolitano said Monday that the $85 billion in across-the-board spending cuts that were officially enacted last Friday have already resulted in airport security lines that are "150 to 200 percent" longer than they normally are.

"Now that we are having to reduce or eliminate basically overtime both for TSA and for customs, now that we have instituted a hiring freeze … we will begin today sending out furlough notices,” Napolitano said at an event that was sponsored by Politico.
Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/transportat...#ixzz2McBlAGGS

I just find it hard to believe that some lines are now double the length they were just a few days ago. Glad to have an Admiral's Club membership if this is going to keep up and I have to plan an earlier airport arrival.

El Cochinito Mar 4, 2013 4:16 pm


Originally Posted by FXWizard (Post 20353735)
While it's not TSA, the border crossing into Point Roberts, WA was experiencing a slowdown in the NEXUS lane as the CBP agents were checking the trunks of every car going through.

Is Point Roberts that busy to begin with? Just curious given that it is just a small exclave (pop. 1300 or so) of Washington state and I can't imagine there's that much traffic.

RadioGirl Mar 4, 2013 4:41 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 20357513)
And no one suspects fear mongering and/or intentional work slow downs to support Obama's agenda?

No, absolutely no one suspects that. That would be deeply cynical, and completely contrary to our expectations, based on all recent observations of the US Federal governme...

Oh...

Well....

Hmm.... :confused:

Originally Posted by tom911 (Post 20359903)
Napolitano: Airport lines have nearly doubled since sequester

Wait times at Transportation Security Administration (TSA) checkpoints at major U.S. airports have already nearly doubled since sequestration was implemented, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said on Monday.

Uh... :o

Never mind. :(

tom911 Mar 4, 2013 5:11 pm

Hang in there. They'll probably be 300% longer just by tomorrow.

Boggie Dog Mar 4, 2013 5:41 pm


Originally Posted by TheRoadie (Post 20359141)
I'm thinking the sequestration requirement is so insanely stupid that the fee part is ignored, and departmental spending just gets a flat rate cut. Every department, every program (unless specifically exempted), no intelligence is allowed to be brought to bear. It was supposed to be so stupid that it would FORCE a compromise to be negotiated. To say more would invite a transfer to OMNI-ville.

Tell me an agency that can't trim 3% off its budget and I would call those administrators incompetent.

Spiff Mar 4, 2013 5:45 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 20360411)
Tell me an agency that can't trim 3% off its budget and I would call those administrators incompetent.

"Incompetent" is too kind of a word to describe Naphole.

If this imbecile can't manage with 8% less (hint: eliminate some harassment) then she should fired, in addition to being tarred & feathered then deported to North Korea for being a disgusting, un-American scumbag.

tom911 Mar 4, 2013 6:43 pm

Airports contradict Janet Napolitano's sequester claim
 

However, when contacted by The Daily Telegraph, spokespeople for both O'Hare and LAX, as well as representatives from the travel industry, denied that airports had been hit by delays.

"We haven't had any slowdowns at all," said Marshall Lowe, a spokesman for LAX. Mr Lowe said that he had been on duty over the weekend and received no reports of unusual security delays.

DeAllous Smith, a spokesman for Hartfield-Jackson, said: "There have been no abnormally long lines at the security checkpoint nor unusual aircraft delays at Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport as a result of sequestration."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ter-claim.html

Time for Ms. Napolitano to get out of the office and visit some airports. :)

Boggie Dog Mar 4, 2013 7:08 pm


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 20360427)
"Incompetent" is too kind of a word to describe Naphole.

If this imbecile can't manage with 8% less (hint: eliminate some harassment) then she should fired, in addition to being tarred & feathered then deported to North Korea for being a disgusting, un-American scumbag.

I meant all federal agencies. Pistole can take a 100% reduction and make America a better place. All the rest 3 to 5% without even working up a sweat.

Boggie Dog Mar 4, 2013 7:13 pm


Originally Posted by tom911 (Post 20360690)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ter-claim.html

Time for Ms. Napolitano to get out of the office and visit some airports. :)

Time to get out of the office and go home.

Spiff Mar 4, 2013 7:26 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 20360797)
Time to get out of the office and go home.

Time to get out of the office and go for a nice stroll down the streets of San Pedro Sula late at night.

RadioGirl Mar 4, 2013 7:56 pm


Originally Posted by tom911 (Post 20360690)
Time for Ms. Napolitano to get out of the office and visit some airports. :)

Do they have speed bumps on runways?


Do they need one? ;)

Boggie Dog Mar 4, 2013 7:57 pm


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 20360880)
Time to get out of the office and go for a nice stroll down the streets of San Pedro Sula late at night.

I was thinking North Korea. One way ticket.

RadioGirl Mar 4, 2013 8:18 pm

Oh, yeah, NOW they shut up...
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9908416/Airports-contradict-Janet-Napolitanos-sequester-claim.html


Originally Posted by Telegraph
Luis Casanova, a regional spokesman for the Transport Security Administration (TSA), said "we've been asked not to comment on the subject [of sequestration]" and referred calls to DHS.

I guess not, Luis. There's a time to put down the shovel and stop digging.

(And wow, the commenters on the Telegraph site make TS&S/CBPD look like high tea in a Jane Austen novel. :D)

InkUnderNails Mar 4, 2013 8:59 pm

Are they so incompetent that they did not get AP management on board with the plan before spreading the scare stories?

Wait, just answered my own question. Sorry. As you were.

Boggie Dog Mar 4, 2013 9:04 pm


Originally Posted by RadioGirl (Post 20361152)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9908416/Airports-contradict-Janet-Napolitanos-sequester-claim.html


I guess not, Luis. There's a time to put down the shovel and stop digging.

(And wow, the commenters on the Telegraph site make TS&S/CBPD look like high tea in a Jane Austen novel. :D)

Clears the way for more lies from DHS.

jtodd Mar 5, 2013 10:53 am

Very telling that it takes a foreign news entity to report on this. The domestic news agencies are being good little sheep and producing articles without research or questions for the DHS.

jkhuggins Mar 5, 2013 4:25 pm

FWIW ... late afternoon departure today at DTW (North Terminal) ... there was practically no line leading up to the TDC. Getting through screening was no worse than other times (and better than many).

bdschobel Mar 5, 2013 4:44 pm


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 20324310)
Or stop checking IDs.

Or stop checking BPs.

Or stop using the nudeoscope.

Or stop making passengers take off their shoes.

Or stop sexually assaulting passengers.

Or stop the idiocy over liquids.

So many things could be done that would keep the lines moving and have no or a positive effect on safety since there would be fewer employees with fewer distractions.

Or just ____can the entire TSA and give the responsibility for airport and airline security back to the airports and airlines.

Amen.

Bruce

javabytes Mar 5, 2013 10:22 pm


Originally Posted by tom911 (Post 20360690)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ter-claim.html

Time for Ms. Napolitano to get out of the office and visit some airports. :)

Don't worry... I'm sure these rogue airports processing passengers efficiently will quickly be brought into line.


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