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Originally Posted by LivelyFL
(Post 20326585)
What is the $10 fee per roundtrip ticket for? I thought the airline passengers themselves paid for TSA.
Originally Posted by TheRoadie
(Post 20329000)
Indeed. Whatever percentage of the screening operation that's covered by the fees should not be touched by the sequester. Unless the fees also drop in lockstep with the budget? Nah.
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Originally Posted by Global_Hi_Flyer
(Post 20322723)
1) Contractors will feel it first, depending on the contract. Not sure whether MCI and SFO are contracted with TSA or the airports - if with TSA, then hit first.... if with the airports, then likely no effect.
One federal (DoD type) contractor around here was claiming that he was unlikely to be impacted because the contract had already been paid for the year (presumably fiscal year), so there was no reason to quit working, take furloughs, etc. If the "cuts" last, there might be issues with future contracts, but he seemed to think the current one was pretty safe. |
Originally Posted by studentff
(Post 20332554)
Any idea what the durations of the screening contracts are?
One federal (DoD type) contractor around here was claiming that he was unlikely to be impacted because the contract had already been paid for the year (presumably fiscal year), so there was no reason to quit working, take furloughs, etc. If the "cuts" last, there might be issues with future contracts, but he seemed to think the current one was pretty safe. |
Originally Posted by studentff
(Post 20332554)
Any idea what the durations of the screening contracts are?
One federal (DoD type) contractor around here was claiming that he was unlikely to be impacted because the contract had already been paid for the year (presumably fiscal year), so there was no reason to quit working, take furloughs, etc. If the "cuts" last, there might be issues with future contracts, but he seemed to think the current one was pretty safe. Virtually ALL Federal contracts provide for cancellation at the "convenience of the Government". So, regardless of term, they can be canceled upon whatever notice is required in the contract clauses. I should add that contract screeners that are contracted by the airport/local authorities (rather than by TSA) will not be affected by the sequestration unless the local government obtains the funding from the Feds. |
Originally Posted by Global_Hi_Flyer
(Post 20335534)
It depends.
Virtually ALL Federal contracts provide for cancellation at the "convenience of the Government". So, regardless of term, they can be canceled upon whatever notice is required in the contract clauses. I should add that contract screeners that are contracted by the airport/local authorities (rather than by TSA) will not be affected by the sequestration unless the local government obtains the funding from the Feds. castro |
It's interesting that in 2010, this same airport manager went to great lengths to assure the public that the new patdowns that were introduced (before the airport even got an NoS) would not impact passenger wait times.
BS-ing hypocrite. :td: Why should the taxpayer fund additional staff and a very expensive, ineffective machine instead of using the cheaper and more effective combination of WTMD and gropes? Less manpower, cheaper equipment, more accurate results. If his TSOs don't like groping, well...unemployment is still very high, and I'm sure there are plenty of people out there willing to do some hands-on work for federal pay and benefits. Besides, no one ever said life on the frontlines of the WOT would be easy. :rolleyes: |
There is no need for the vast majority of sexual assaults that take place at our airports. WTMD + ETP/ETD + x-ray of carryons.
Get rid of all TSA employees and tell the airlines and the airports that it's once again up to them. |
why do politicians on both sides feel the need to scare the public with nonsense?
fortunately(or unfortunately) the American public has been trained to respond with, well, nothing... to most folks, the government is like the boy who cried wolf... 4 hours to get through TSA checkpoints starting on Saturday? what happens if it doesn't materialize? people are not going to listen when the government has a real legitimate warning such as NASA discovering a comet heading straight for our planet... well, I take that back, if a comet is heading towards us, I'd appreciate it if the government keeps it quiet. :) |
Originally Posted by Spiff
(Post 20336866)
There is no need for the vast majority of sexual assaults that take place at our airports. WTMD + ETP/ETD + x-ray of carryons.
Get rid of all TSA employees and tell the airlines and the airports that it's once again up to them. I fully support the sequestration of sexual assaults on men, women and children at U.S. airports!!! As a bonus, fewer iPads, laptops, watches, etc, will be stolen at TSA checkpoints starting Saturday? |
Originally Posted by MetricFlyer
(Post 20337237)
why do politicians on both sides feel the need to scare the public with nonsense?
I realize that's not an earth-shattering viewpoint. :D
Originally Posted by MetricFlyer
(Post 20337237)
4 hours to get through TSA checkpoints starting on Saturday? what happens if it doesn't materialize?
I 'll bet there are a lot of folks out there in the Great Ether who just don't see that this could have major economic implications outside of the obvious ones. I don't see how it couldn't. And that goes back to my Federal Blame Game Theory and how much of this is simple scaremongering. Really, it's a great chance for Congress to shoot themselves in the other foot even if they are the ones setting up the whole thing, which is what makes the whole situation surreal to me. *shrugs* Who knows? Like I said, I'm no political science guru so maybe I'm just talking out my behind... |
Originally Posted by MetricFlyer
(Post 20337246)
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I fully support the sequestration of sexual assaults on men, women and children at U.S. airports!!! As a bonus, fewer iPads, laptops, watches, etc, will be stolen at TSA checkpoints starting Saturday? |
Originally Posted by Pup7
(Post 20338170)
Mostly because anyone who can is going to avoid air travel like the Plague this weekend, not because there are fewer TSA people around. The ensuing commotion may only present greater opportunity for deception.
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Originally Posted by United_727
(Post 20338784)
Great....I'm flying on Sat. Wonderful....
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Originally Posted by Pup7
(Post 20338158)
In short, sex (and scaremongering) sells. I'm no politician and I barely follow most of the crap that comes out of the sacred halls of DC even as I fall right under their control, but the opposing party holds control of Congress (barely, yes, but still) so I can't help but wonder how much of this is actually lead-up to The Blame Game, Federal Style.
I realize that's not an earth-shattering viewpoint. :D Better yet, WHAT IF IT DOES? And my apologies to anyone here who may have the misfortune of needing to be out in the trenches this weekend, but I can't help thinking WHAT IF IT DOES? What if the airports are full of grandmas and people with antsy small children and fidgety FF types and they're all there waiting in this completely ridiculous line for no good reason...and then people say, to hell with this - and, after they get to where they need to go and do what it is they need to do, they simply don't fly after all that melodrama? And people see it on TV and go, oh, no way in hell I'm going anywhere, and they just don't buy plane tickets and either drive to their vacation or they just don't go at all (because gas is fifty bucks a tank plus)? I find this possibility fascinating and truly scary.... I 'll bet there are a lot of folks out there in the Great Ether who just don't see that this could have major economic implications outside of the obvious ones. I don't see how it couldn't. And that goes back to my Federal Blame Game Theory and how much of this is simple scaremongering. Really, it's a great chance for Congress to shoot themselves in the other foot even if they are the ones setting up the whole thing, which is what makes the whole situation surreal to me. *shrugs* Who knows? Like I said, I'm no political science guru so maybe I'm just talking out my behind... in Jack Nicholson's voice. :D (Haffa or Col. Jessup, pick one) :D |
I wonder if Detroit was "practicing" yesterday. Only one lane open when I went through security yesterday.
However, I don't think they had a lack of people. They had one screener hovering at the entrance to the regular security line to check boarding passes, and they had about 3 of them hovering around the document checker. This also is the one airport where I have never seen them use the WTMD for the general public. |
If TSA does choose to artificially create long lines (without actually having made staffing cuts) and the media chooses to interview folks waiting in line, I wonder if we'll hear someone say "I don't mind a 4-hour wait, because at least I know they're making me safe". :rolleyes:
Meanwhile, it's unlikely that any TSA $-saving staff reductions will include cutting the hours of the trainers or Blogdad Bob. |
Originally Posted by chollie
(Post 20339867)
Meanwhile, it's unlikely that any TSA $-saving staff reductions will include cutting the hours of the trainers or Blogdad Bob. |
Originally Posted by dimramon
(Post 20339821)
I wonder if Detroit was "practicing" yesterday. Only one lane open when I went through security yesterday.
However, I don't think they had a lack of people. They had one screener hovering at the entrance to the regular security line to check boarding passes, and they had about 3 of them hovering around the document checker. This also is the one airport where I have never seen them use the WTMD for the general public. |
Originally Posted by dimramon
(Post 20339821)
I wonder if Detroit was "practicing" yesterday. Only one lane open when I went through security yesterday.
However, I don't think they had a lack of people. They had one screener hovering at the entrance to the regular security line to check boarding passes, and they had about 3 of them hovering around the document checker. This also is the one airport where I have never seen them use the WTMD for the general public. |
Originally Posted by Spiff
(Post 20340032)
If your "security" experience exceeded 10 minutes, file a formal complaint at the TSA complaint line: 1-866-289-9673
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Originally Posted by Pup7
(Post 20338170)
Mostly because anyone who can is going to avoid air travel like the Plague this weekend, not because there are fewer TSA people around. The ensuing commotion may only present greater opportunity for deception.
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Originally Posted by dimramon
(Post 20339821)
I wonder if Detroit was "practicing" yesterday. Only one lane open when I went through security yesterday.
However, I don't think they had a lack of people. They had one screener hovering at the entrance to the regular security line to check boarding passes, and they had about 3 of them hovering around the document checker. This also is the one airport where I have never seen them use the WTMD for the general public. BNA is one of those airports that has been a problem for photographers. Every time I get back from a trip and pass security. I think about stopping and taking a few photos to see if they will call the cops and have me removed from flying that day. :D |
I went to the barber shop this morning to get a haircut. There are usually five barbers. Today only four. I am feeling the pinch already.
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The sky is falling, the sky is falling. It took 30 seconds today to clear DEN Pre-Check instead of the usual 20 seconds.
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My guess is we see an uptick in gate ID checks, random silliness, more two-by-two busy work mall walking patrols and less lanes opened merely as a political ploy, with no true reduction in staffing.
One cable television news report stated that sequestration would put a hiring freeze on TSA and they'd be out 1,000 clerks come Memorial Day, Bravo I say!!! A small step for TSA a giant leap for travelers. |
Originally Posted by MetricFlyer
(Post 20338804)
you know... for some weird reason, I was reading your post but hearing it
in Jack Nicholson's voice. :D (Haffa or Col. Jessup, pick one) :D Classic! |
The one thousand Monkeys randomly hacking at the TSA typewriter came up with this Gem.
[due to sequestration] ...slots for 1,000 security officers to be vacant by Memorial Day and 2,600 vacancies by the end of September. "With TSA staffing levels decreasing over time, we expect that during busy travel periods wait times exceeding 30 to 40 minutes could double at nearly all of the largest airports," the agency said in a statement. Where do I begin? :rolleyes: A minor cut in the budget DOUBLES the wait time (halves the throughput). Really?!?!?! Here's an idea (channeling my inner Spiff)... FIRE THEM ALL*!!! * - and stop waging war on some drugs too. ;) |
Bob was using his Pistole puppet again...
TSA Administrator John Pistole told a House panel Wednesday that the agency stopped training new air marshals – armed, undercover officers who fly on planes to thwart terrorists – in January. The last class had been trained in September 2011. Here's another idea for the TSA, while they are working the details of abolishing the agency.... @:-) Tell the 75% of the clerks that just stand around wasting oxygen to do something productive! (like quit) @:-) And a final note to the Mods/Admin: [begging] Please, please, please add a puking smiley to the list of smilies. We need one more than we ever have. [/begging] |
Alas, the sky did not fall in the night. MCO was business as usual. All lanes open on the B side, mouse-eared sheep filing through as ever.
Of course, I did not look at the A side. It might have been a total mess, shut down even, if all screeners were on my side to comply with the massive staff reductions we were promised (sort of a slip of the tongue to call a screener on my side, but I digress). |
http://homeland.house.gov/sites/home...orm_Report.pdf
Graph on page 14 shows between 2010 and 2011 the number of airline passengers grew from about 628,000,000 to about 638,000,000. At the same time, the number of FTE screeners grew from 45,000 to just under 48,000. Seems there is a lot of overage that could be cut. |
Originally Posted by petaluma1
(Post 20345819)
http://homeland.house.gov/sites/home...orm_Report.pdf
Graph on page 14 shows between 2010 and 2011 the number of airline passengers grew from about 628,000,000 to about 638,000,000. At the same time, the number of FTE screeners grew from 45,000 to just under 48,000. Seems there is a lot of overage that could be cut. |
Originally Posted by petaluma1
(Post 20345819)
http://homeland.house.gov/sites/home...orm_Report.pdf
Graph on page 14 shows between 2010 and 2011 the number of airline passengers grew from about 628,000,000 to about 638,000,000. At the same time, the number of FTE screeners grew from 45,000 to just under 48,000. Seems there is a lot of overage that could be cut. That's a 6.2% increase in clerks, in one year, to handle a 1.5% increase in traffic. This doesn't account for the massive increases in the rest of the system. Now they purport the world coming to an end because they might have to live without 2,600 of clerks (0.4%) that they want to hire this FY. :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by Spiff
(Post 20346084)
Yup, 48,000 FTE employees, to be exact. Part-time + "management" can all go too.
my company laid off a bunch of employees, which was supposed to save 2.5 million over two year. three months later, all the executive restrooms were equipped with Toto automatic toilets. 47 units of Toto's top of the line model that will make any Japanese executive red with envy(exact quote from the contractor who was installing them). Tell me what's wrong with that? |
Originally Posted by MetricFlyer
(Post 20346139)
even if they let all 48000 employees go, I'm sure they won't reduce the salary savings in the budget. they'll just find another way to use the extra money to fund some ridiculous project.
my company laid off a bunch of employees, which was supposed to save 2.5 million over two year. three months later, all the executive restrooms were equipped with Toto automatic toilets. 47 units of Toto's top of the line model that will make any Japanese executive red with envy(exact quote from the contractor who was installing them). Tell me what's wrong with that? |
Originally Posted by MetricFlyer
(Post 20346139)
even if they let all 48000 employees go, I'm sure they won't reduce the salary savings in the budget. they'll just find another way to use the extra money to fund some ridiculous project.
my company laid off a bunch of employees, which was supposed to save 2.5 million over two year. three months later, all the executive restrooms were equipped with Toto automatic toilets. 47 units of Toto's top of the line model that will make any Japanese executive red with envy(exact quote from the contractor who was installing them). Tell me what's wrong with that? As to the TSA, certain security and border control functions are exempt from the sequester. This may include parts of the TSA, FAM's for instance. |
Originally Posted by InkUnderNails
(Post 20346814)
OT, but I can beat that. Company negotiates wage reduction in union contract. The day contract is signed, owners reward management with new leased BMW's delivered to the company parking lot. One year later, out of business.
. Are you saying that the POTUS, the VP, cabinet members, and high-ranking congressmen and senatorr(or anyone responsible for the sequestration are going to get free new Caddies?(or cash equivalent) ^^^ |
Originally Posted by MetricFlyer
(Post 20347682)
Are you saying that the POTUS, the VP, cabinet members,
and high-ranking congressmen and senatorr(or anyone responsible for the sequestration are going to get free new Caddies?(or cash equivalent) ^^^ |
Originally Posted by InkUnderNails
(Post 20347691)
Ill say this, the day they get contract reductions from all of the federal public service unions, they deserve new cars, even GM cars.
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Originally Posted by InkUnderNails
(Post 20347691)
Ill say this, the day they get contract reductions from all of the federal public service unions, they deserve new cars, even GM cars.
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Originally Posted by ScatterX
(Post 20346109)
Sheep don't need no facts and can't do math. @:-)
That's a 6.2% increase in clerks, in one year, to handle a 1.5% increase in traffic. This doesn't account for the massive increases in the rest of the system. Now they purport the world coming to an end because they might have to live without 2,600 of clerks (0.4%) that they want to hire this FY. :rolleyes: |
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