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bluenotesro Oct 27, 2012 7:42 pm

Boston theft....again
 
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/10/2...logan-airport/

Never ends, does it? What a pathetic person(s) employed by a pathetic agency run by an even more pathetic director. :mad:

Boggie Dog Oct 27, 2012 7:48 pm


Originally Posted by bluenotesro (Post 19577680)
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/10/2...logan-airport/

Never ends, does it? What a pathetic person(s) employed by a pathetic agency run by an even more pathetic director. :mad:

Thefts are so prevalent I'm thinking it must be addressed in the TSA SOP.

How to steal effectively at the Check Point.

N830MH Oct 27, 2012 10:46 pm

I cannot denying that. TSA is trying to steal the jewelry from the passenger. No one to steal the jewelry, cash and etc. Nobody who touching the carryon bags. Ever! You will lose job. You will fired. No one who responsible for that. You have a many chance to stealing the items. This must stop! Enough is enough! Leave the personal items alone! Don't touch the bags!

trooper Oct 27, 2012 11:13 pm

I see.... someone only has to claim a theft and it's considered true on these boards.

As long as it's TSA being accused.

Never mind the (awfully convenient) delay in reporting/complaining.... never mind the idea that $3700 worth of jewelry was (allegedly) left in a carry on in the first place....after all noone ever makes false claims of the loss of high value items like that, now do they?

Since TSA has been accused no evidence is required!

So much for innocent until proven guilty eh?

Yoshi212 Oct 27, 2012 11:24 pm

While I do somewhat agree with your whole post I am not given the presumption of innocence by the TSA so why should they get that courteous when there are definite trends indicated otherwise.
the ratio of thefts per TSO vs actually illegal/harmful items attempted to be brought through a checkpoint by a passenger in comparison to the amount of passengers total screws towards the innocence of the passenger.


Originally Posted by trooper (Post 19578382)
So much for innocent until proven guilty eh?


bluenotesro Oct 28, 2012 3:49 am

[QUOTE=trooper;19578382]I see.... someone only has to claim a theft and it's considered true on these boards.

As long as it's TSA being accused.

Never mind the (awfully convenient) delay in reporting/complaining.... never mind the idea that $3700 worth of jewelry was (allegedly) left in a carry on in the first place....after all noone ever makes false claims of the loss of high value items like that, now do they?

Since TSA has been accused no evidence is required!

So much for innocent until proven guilty eh?[/QUOTE]

While I am more than willing to consider an individual innocent until proven guilty, this agency and its employees has yet to instill much confidence in most of us on this board. The problem is endemic. The culture at TSA is unprofessional and problematic. Until DHS and TSA get a director who is trustworthy and competent I, as are many of us, am likely to consider the individual guilty. Chances are, he or she is. Prove me wrong.

InkUnderNails Oct 28, 2012 4:22 am


Originally Posted by trooper (Post 19578382)
I see.... someone only has to claim a theft and it's considered true on these boards.

As long as it's TSA being accused.

Never mind the (awfully convenient) delay in reporting/complaining.... never mind the idea that $3700 worth of jewelry was (allegedly) left in a carry on in the first place....after all noone ever makes false claims of the loss of high value items like that, now do they?

Since TSA has been accused no evidence is required!

So much for innocent until proven guilty eh?

Innocent until guilty is a concept only applicable to the court. We can think whatever we want.

For now, I will give the TSA the benefit of the doubt.


That’s when Ivester says the agent left the area with her bag.
Uh, oh. If this is true, then my doubt meter just dropped a big notch. Let's pull the tape and see. If the screener left the area with the bag it is against procedure at the least and increases my suspicion significantly.

If the tape shows that her bag was always with her, I will defend the TSA on this one. If it shows the bag was taken from her sight or if the tape is not available or was "not functioning," I'm back on the Ivester's side.

It is up to the TSA to prove her claim false. They should have the tapes to do it. If they do not produce them, another TSA failure. If not by theft, it is failure by procedure.

FlyingCowboy Oct 28, 2012 4:49 am

I'll give TSA the same benefit of the doubt they give me. Sounds about fair.

OldGoat Oct 28, 2012 4:49 am


Originally Posted by trooper (Post 19578382)
So much for innocent until proven guilty eh?

Ever hear the saying "what's good for the goose is good for the gander?"

(I understand the administrative search aspect. Still what TSA does is over the top and far from their WEI role.)

Boggie Dog Oct 28, 2012 5:59 am


Originally Posted by trooper (Post 19578382)
I see.... someone only has to claim a theft and it's considered true on these boards.

As long as it's TSA being accused.

Never mind the (awfully convenient) delay in reporting/complaining.... never mind the idea that $3700 worth of jewelry was (allegedly) left in a carry on in the first place....after all noone ever makes false claims of the loss of high value items like that, now do they?

Since TSA has been accused no evidence is required!

So much for innocent until proven guilty eh?

So tell us where other than our carry on to place high value items when transiting a TSA checkpoint. Checked baggage?

How many cases of theft that has been proven before TSA changes procedures to guard against employees having opportunity?

I don't know if your handle "trooper" indicates LEO history or not but wouldn't a wise business operator harden procedures to protect against this being possible?

halls120 Oct 28, 2012 9:20 am


Originally Posted by trooper (Post 19578382)

So much for innocent until proven guilty eh?

Since passengers are treated in a "you are a potential terrorist until we decide you aren't" manner by TSA, I fail to see what the problem is.

Darkumbra Oct 28, 2012 9:33 am


Originally Posted by FlyingCowboy (Post 19579074)
I'll give TSA the same benefit of the doubt they give me. Sounds about fair.

Sounds good to me.

The day they stop assuming I'm a terrorist,
is the day I'll start assuming they're decent people.

RatherBeOnATrain Oct 28, 2012 9:46 am

Mail Online:TSA DELETED its Surveillance Footage *before* beginning its investigation
 
Here's another article about the same incident... the key detail in this report is that TSA's claim process served as a run-the-clock-out mechanism, guaranteeing that TSA would delete its own surveillance video before TSA even began its internal investigation of the theft:

Mail Online:
Outrage after passenger finds thousands in jewelery 'snatched by TSA worker' and surveillance footage DELETED

PUBLISHED: 10:20 EST, 28 October 2012
UPDATED: 10:22 EST, 28 October 2012


A short quote:
A Boston woman claims TSA agents walked off with thousands of dollars’ worth of jewellery from her luggage, amid a growing number of similar cases spanning the U.S.

Terri Ivester says it was an agent at Logan International Airport who stopped her after exiting a security checkpoint and, as the TSA says if true, broke protocol.
and
Adding to her outrage, she says the TSA has notified her that any surveillance footage capturing her trip has since been erased.

While in the past security cameras have been used to capture theft, most recently in the news at New Jersey's Newark airport, the TSA says they save the footage for only 30 days.

Mrs Ivester says that most of those days were consumed by her filing a report

reamworks Oct 28, 2012 10:23 am

The TSA FEELS and STEALS the family jewels!

Of course, it's only alleged. But the fact that the TSA conveniently lost the video makes me very suspicious.

See: http://shinybadge.com/2012/10/not-on...o-steals-them/

nachtnebel Oct 28, 2012 12:35 pm


Originally Posted by halls120 (Post 19580019)
Since passengers are treated in a "you are a potential terrorist until we decide you aren't" manner by TSA, I fail to see what the problem is.

^^^^^^

yes, after every shift, every TSA clerk needs to be thoroughly and intimately searched under their genitals to determine whether they've stashed some passenger jewelry under the family jewels. That and also use a cavity x-ray machine as they do in gold mines to make sure they didn't squirrel away passengers property up the orifaces. The clerks should have no problem with this, because, you know, it ain't personal.


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