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mules Apr 5, 2012 10:17 pm

Another security lapse in Newark
 
A man went in the out door. Part of terminal B was evacuated.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/201...rport_eva.html

N830MH Apr 5, 2012 11:06 pm

Now what?!? Not another security breach at EWR yet again! :mad::mad::td::td: I am so pissed me off!

Shame on TSA!!

WillCAD Apr 6, 2012 5:34 am


Originally Posted by the article
TSA spokeswoman Lisa Farbstein said in a statement that the unidentified screener "was immediately removed from all screening duties, pending the outcome of an official review of the incident.

Wow. TSA is not usually so decisive in their treatment of TSOs who screw up, nor are they generally so forthcoming. I wonder if this woman will actually lose her job, or simply get retraining (which would be a joke, since the job description is laughably simple: "Don't let anyone go IN through the OUT door.")

Since the signs don't seem to be working, perhaps we can get the people from LAX to record some looped dialogue for exit lanes throughout the country:

"The exit lane is for exiting and departing persons only. There is no entry through the exit lanes."

chollie Apr 6, 2012 6:09 am

If she is a screener who has been removed from all 'screening' duties, what exactly will she be doing to earn her paycheck?

Global_Hi_Flyer Apr 6, 2012 6:24 am

Another big production terminal dump that was all for show. Gotta keep the travelers fearful to maintain control of them.

mules Apr 6, 2012 6:32 am

Maybe Pauline Frommer was impressed by the "show of force" and the coordination of the search. (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/check...ves-tsa-3.html) Seriously, if I were delayed because of their incompetence and terminal dumped, I would be so frustrated.

cordelli Apr 6, 2012 7:15 am


Originally Posted by chollie (Post 18345343)
If she is a screener who has been removed from all 'screening' duties, what exactly will she be doing to earn her paycheck?

She didn't fail at screening duties, she wasn't screening anybody down there. She failed at the stand at the desk and don't let anybody walk past you from this direction duty, that's what they should remove her from.

Caradoc Apr 6, 2012 7:16 am


Originally Posted by chollie (Post 18345343)
If she is a screener who has been removed from all 'screening' duties, what exactly will she be doing to earn her paycheck?

The same thing she was doing before, just in a different location (not that doing nothing is really dependent on location in the first place...)

goalie Apr 6, 2012 8:47 am

Ahhhh, EWR-that bastion of airport sercurity
 

In addition, a federal law signed in December included provisions inserted by U.S. Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) that stiffened penalties against people trying circumvent airport security and directed the TSA to study ways to improve security at exits to secure areas.
Today's incident, Lautenberg said in a statement last night, is "just another example of how exit lanes are an area of vulnerability at our airports.
Um, Senator Lautenberg-what about a "distracted TSA screener". Think proper training and/or having a TSO actually doing their job would prevent this type of incident? <putz>


....after a British man entered a secure area through an exit, walking past a "Do Not Enter" sign and a distracted TSA screener, authorities said.
And just why was the TSA screener "distracted"? C'mon TSA-fess up and show us the tapes of the TSO texting (or doing something similar) as opposed to their job. Oh, the tape is defective? The camera's were not focused properly? It's SSI because you screwed up? Oh, well then-Never mind :rolleyes:

WillCAD Apr 6, 2012 9:36 am

Oh, no, Goalie, they would never release tapes of an actual security breach, because then we'd be showing terr'ists how to get past the impenetrable multiple layers of TSA security!

The article said that the TSO was distracted by another passenger who was asking wher the AirTrain was (never been to EWR - I assume that's a rail link into town?) But yes, it certainly could be a case of someone texting on the job. We'll never see the tape, though. No matter why it happened, it will show the TSA in a bad light because one of their people screwed up one of the simplest jobs there is: "Don't let anyone go in there."

FliesWay2Much Apr 6, 2012 10:36 am

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Originally Posted by chollie
If she is a screener who has been removed from all 'screening' duties, what exactly will she be doing to earn her paycheck?

...TSA Honor Guard...

ralfp Apr 6, 2012 11:11 am

Don't they have alarms that go off when people enter through the exit? I recall seeing (and hearing) one at HPN.

Critic Apr 6, 2012 11:21 am


Originally Posted by WillCAD (Post 18346296)
Oh, no, Goalie, they would never release tapes of an actual security breach, because then we'd be showing terr'ists how to get past the impenetrable multiple layers of TSA security!

The article said that the TSO was distracted by another passenger who was asking wher the AirTrain was (never been to EWR - I assume that's a rail link into town?) But yes, it certainly could be a case of someone texting on the job. We'll never see the tape, though. No matter why it happened, it will show the TSA in a bad light because one of their people screwed up one of the simplest jobs there is: "Don't let anyone go in there."

AirTrain serves as the landside link between the terminals, rental car agencies, parking and mass transit (Amtrak/NJ Transit). Similar to the Airtrain at SFO, if you're familiar with that.

As much as I used to think it was overkill, I'm starting to think PHL did the exit lanes right when they built their D/E connector complex. Coming out of the D gates, if you want to exit to landside, you have to pass through a set of automatic doors, followed by a subway-style automatic faregate (DC Metro/ATL MARTA/BART style, not NYC style) into individual lanes (think the Eliminator from the old American Gladiators), then finally through another set of automatic doors. There's no visible TSA presence, but I imagine the airlock is being monitored by CCTV, and TSA could lock down individual lanes or the whole system remotely if they needed to.

InkUnderNails Apr 6, 2012 11:51 am


Originally Posted by Critic (Post 18346840)
AirTrain serves as the landside link between the terminals, rental car agencies, parking and mass transit (Amtrak/NJ Transit). Similar to the Airtrain at SFO, if you're familiar with that.

As much as I used to think it was overkill, I'm starting to think PHL did the exit lanes right when they built their D/E connector complex. Coming out of the D gates, if you want to exit to landside, you have to pass through a set of automatic doors, followed by a subway-style automatic faregate (DC Metro/ATL MARTA/BART style, not NYC style) into individual lanes (think the Eliminator from the old American Gladiators), then finally through another set of automatic doors. There's no visible TSA presence, but I imagine the airlock is being monitored by CCTV, and TSA could lock down individual lanes or the whole system remotely if they needed to.

As I am a maintenance guy, the exit doors at PHL sort of scare me. Lots of things have to work right for them to work and if they fail one is either trapped air side or pummeled by a rotating door. I am certain that they have built in safeguards. I also bet that the safeguards have to be tested and maintained as well.

tkey75 Apr 7, 2012 10:05 am


Originally Posted by cordelli (Post 18345545)
She didn't fail at screening duties, she wasn't screening anybody down there. She failed at the stand at the desk and don't let anybody walk past you from this direction duty, that's what they should remove her from.

If she fails at what is probably the simplest of tasks - make sure everyone walks in this direction, not that direction - how can she be trusted for something more challenging?


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