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Originally Posted by RosemaryT
(Post 17504458)
Wonder how long before TSA shows up and ruins our trains?
The day of, not before, the huge anticipated crush of Wednesday Thanksgiving travelers, TSA shows up unannounced and starts to set up inside Union Station. Amtrak senior staffer sees TSA agents on the floor. Goes upstairs, asks a colleague: "What's going on? There are TSA down there." "Not for long." ... Chief goes down, "What are you doing?" "We're setting up surveillance." "No. You don't have jurisdiction." "We insist." "No, I insist. You're leaving the building." Amtrak security are there to help escort TSA off the premises. |
^^^:D:D:D
Unfortunately...how long until Congress drags in Amtrak to chew them out over this incident and threaten to eliminate Amtrak altogether? The personnel at Chicago Union Station definitely had some cojones to do that, but will the TSA go crying to Congress about it? After, transportation security _is_ the TSA's specialty, right?
Originally Posted by N965VJ
(Post 17537168)
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That's why I want to see the TSA placed under control of the FAA. Rotsa ruck infesting a train platform when the most you have is an airport SIDA badge. :p
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Originally Posted by doober
(Post 17536279)
A WBI machine was in a NJ PATH station several years ago for a couple of weeks and Chertoff himself has been seen and heard trying to get NJ Transit to install such machines.
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Originally Posted by N965VJ
(Post 17537168)
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Is there an account of this in a "mainstream" news source, like a newspaper, TV channel, etc?
Unfortunately, "incidents" like this can circulate to no end at TravelUnderground and Flyertalk, but until it makes it to, say, the Chicago Tribune or cnn.com, it's a pro-TSAer's favorite adjectives: anecdotal, unconfirmed, and only on "conspiracy sites".
Originally Posted by N965VJ
(Post 17537168)
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Where everyone is: AMTRAK!
Here's some factual information about where all the travelers are:
WASHINGTON — Amtrak moved an estimated 720,000 passengers during Thanksgiving week, breaking its all-time record, the railroad announced based on preliminary data. That number puts this year’s haul 2.2 percent higher than last year’s, when the previous record was set. Source:Trains magazine: Amtrak sets Thanksgiving week record Published: December 1, 2011 |
Originally Posted by RatherBeOnATrain
(Post 17559748)
Here's some factual information about where all the travelers are:
WASHINGTON — Amtrak moved an estimated 720,000 passengers during Thanksgiving week, breaking its all-time record, the railroad announced based on preliminary data. That number puts this year’s haul 2.2 percent higher than last year’s, when the previous record was set. Source:Trains magazine: Amtrak sets Thanksgiving week record Published: December 1, 2011 hmm... haven't seen any stories about people being being groped or strip searched by Amtrak conductors or PD. Come to think of it, they have a policy forbidding frisking people on Amtrak without cause. Could that be it? |
Originally Posted by RatherBeOnATrain
(Post 17559748)
That number puts this year’s haul 2.2 percent higher than last year’s, when the previous record was set. |
Originally Posted by nachtnebel
(Post 17560006)
hmm... haven't seen any stories about people being being groped or strip searched by Amtrak conductors or PD. Come to think of it, they have a policy forbidding frisking people on Amtrak without cause. Could that be it?
I see fewer & fewer, if any, random bag checks down in NY's subway system lately - and it's so easy only the blind would have trouble going around them, making it virtually useless. Of course, my retired MOS friends & their pals earned a great deal of OT for their homeland security assignments post 9/11. |
Originally Posted by mahohmei
(Post 17555675)
Is there an account of this in a "mainstream" news source, like a newspaper, TV channel, etc?
Unfortunately, "incidents" like this can circulate to no end at TravelUnderground and Flyertalk, but until it makes it to, say, the Chicago Tribune or cnn.com, it's a pro-TSAer's favorite adjectives: anecdotal, unconfirmed, and only on "conspiracy sites". Happened following this incident: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/pract...ed-thread.html Thus, I'd definitely believe the above anecdote. Amtrak is in the driver's seat (engineer's seat?) when it comes to their own passengers' security. ^ |
Originally Posted by GoAmtrak
(Post 17590688)
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Unfortunately, for a pro-TSAer, trains.com still means it's anecdotal, since there's obvious bias. It has to make it to CNN before anyone believes it, otherwise, trains.com is still a "conspiracy site" that's making it look like people are actively avoiding flying because of the TSA.
Originally Posted by GoAmtrak
(Post 17590688)
Amtrak police chief bars Transportation Security Administration from some security operations
Happened following this incident: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/pract...ed-thread.html Thus, I'd definitely believe the above anecdote. Amtrak is in the driver's seat (engineer's seat?) when it comes to their own passengers' security. ^ |
Originally Posted by mahohmei
(Post 17619965)
Unfortunately, for a pro-TSAer, trains.com still means it's anecdotal, since there's obvious bias. It has to make it to CNN before anyone believes it, otherwise, trains.com is still a "conspiracy site" that's making it look like people are actively avoiding flying because of the TSA.
There are many, many news outlets that have covered the Amtrak-TSA spat; I posted the Trains article specifically because the author goes into a level of thoughtful detail that is sorely lacking in most MSM transportation coverage, especially vis-a-vis security. |
Originally Posted by GoAmtrak
(Post 17639763)
The Trains article was written by a respected journalist who spent decades at the Washington Post followed by the International Herald Tribune.
I mention this because it shows that he worked for many years at both the liberal and the conservative newspapers. |
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