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Originally Posted by nachtnebel
(Post 17160171)
All of the talk about what is and what is not detected, and about thresholds that alarm is mooted by the results of this activity. Nearly 100% bad results in which innocent people are getting bum rushed to the private hut to have their sex organs massaged thoroughly. If I'm going to the airport on legitimate business, and have done nothing illegal, and have followed the TSA rules in not bringing forbidden items, then I have full reason to expect that these clowns will LEAVE ME THE F**K ALONE. If you people can't meet this really low baseline of expectation, then you should not be performing this function.
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Originally Posted by nachtnebel
(Post 17160171)
All of the talk about what is and what is not detected, and about thresholds that alarm is mooted by the results of this activity. Nearly 100% bad results in which innocent people are getting bum rushed to the private hut to have their sex organs massaged thoroughly. If I'm going to the airport on legitimate business, and have done nothing illegal, and have followed the TSA rules in not bringing forbidden items, then I have full reason to expect that these clowns will LEAVE ME THE F**K ALONE. If you people can't meet this really low baseline of expectation, then you should not be performing this function.
Oh i am sure what you wrote here will stir those on this site, but you really should consider better what you have said. According to your logic, if someone knows they have broken no laws, brought nothing prohibited with them, yet alarm the WTMD, then its you should not even be screened by HHMD. Yet i have seen almost everyone, including you, support the use of HHMD. And for whatever reason you seemingly willfully ignore the fact that ETD is part of the screening process, also previously supported by many if not mot here. Basically your comment is that, why we should all know who the "good guys" are and to not do so, to screen them is to harass them. Based on your logic knowing you have done nothing illegal shouldn't even go through the WTMD. |
Originally Posted by SATTSO
(Post 17161798)
Oh i am sure what you wrote here will stir those on this site, but you really should consider better what you have said. According to your logic, if someone knows they have broken no laws, brought nothing prohibited with them, yet alarm the WTMD, then its you should not even be screened by HHMD. Yet i have seen almost everyone, including you, support the use of HHMD.
And for whatever reason you seemingly willfully ignore the fact that ETD is part of the screening process, also previously supported by many if not mot here. Basically your comment is that, why we should all know who the "good guys" are and to not do so, to screen them is to harass them. Based on your logic knowing you have done nothing illegal shouldn't even go through the WTMD. |
Originally Posted by Tom M.
(Post 17153335)
According to SATTSO, the units can detect very small amounts of explosives.
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I would suggest that "very small" is equivalent to "trace amounts"
It appears that the machines don't have an "and" function. Otherwise if it detected above threshold of a common chemical like glycerine, but no trace amounts of other components necessary to make an explosives it wouldn't alarm. Besides, nitroglycerine is allowed through the checkpoint as medicine. ;) Something doesn't add up, when it appears that the "wrong" hand lotion is more likely to alarm than GSR from a range session. Large numbers of false positives are not good for security. For example, if an ETD alarmed and no explosives are found on the person or in their carry-on, why isn't this person's checked luggage flagged? That would be layered security. |
Originally Posted by Tom M.
(Post 17169407)
I would suggest that "very small" is equivalent to "trace amounts"
It appears that the machines don't have an "and" function. Otherwise if it detected above threshold of a common chemical like glycerine, but no trace amounts of other components necessary to make an explosives it wouldn't alarm. Besides, nitroglycerine is allowed through the checkpoint as medicine. ;) Something doesn't add up, when it appears that the "wrong" hand lotion is more likely to alarm than GSR from a range session. Large numbers of false positives are not good for security. For example, if an ETD alarmed and no explosives are found on the person or in their carry-on, why isn't this person's checked luggage flagged? That would be layered security. |
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 17169497)
What seems to get lost in the background noise is that TSA does not really provide security but theater. This means that any TSA testing method only has to give a result, accuracy isn't really important.
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Originally Posted by Tom M.
(Post 17169407)
For example, if an ETD alarmed and no explosives are found on the person or in their carry-on, why isn't this person's checked luggage flagged? That would be layered security. |
Originally Posted by aviators99
(Post 17124954)
So, what was the three-letter acronym he actually used?
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Originally Posted by Tom M.
(Post 17169407)
I would suggest that "very small" is equivalent to "trace amounts"
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Originally Posted by eyecue
(Post 17169703)
USP
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Originally Posted by SATTSO
(Post 17170647)
You may suggest it, but respectfully, those terms/concepts mean different things to me
1 [treys] Show IPA noun, verb, traced, trac·ing. noun 1. a surviving mark, sign, or evidence of the former existence, influence, or action of some agent or event; vestige: traces of an advanced civilization among the ruins. 2. a barely discernible indication or evidence of some quantity, quality, characteristic, expression, etc.: a trace of anger in his tone. 3.an extremely small amount of some chemical component: a trace of copper in its composition. |
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 17170956)
So what does USP stand for?
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Originally Posted by Tom M.
(Post 17169407)
It appears that the machines don't have an "and" function. Otherwise if it detected above threshold of a common chemical like glycerine, but no trace amounts of other components necessary to make an explosives it wouldn't alarm.
For example, if an ETD alarmed and no explosives are found on the person or in their carry-on, why isn't this person's checked luggage flagged? That would be layered security. |
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