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Originally Posted by Chrisinhouston
(Post 16835956)
Spoke with my wife after she cleared security at IAH for a flight to ORD. She said she insisted on only whispering her name softly for her own security and the TSA guy was like, "Whatever!" But the crazy part was the lady in front of her traveling with a small child, a boy about 3-4 who was asked to speak his name out loud.
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Originally Posted by nickx91
(Post 29062728)
This is just insane. Wondering if they still does that?
Given the history of kidnapping and related murders of children in Houston (think Adam Walsh) and in Chicago, and given that children tend to let down their guard when someone knows their name, this kind of TSA approach ought to seems more counterproductive than productive to the locals. And yet this “security” nonsense from the TSA continues in the name of “think of the children”. |
The "practice" continues
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The practice continues:
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Originally Posted by petaluma1
(Post 30394699)
There is a lot of nonsense coming from airlines, airport security screeners and even passport control types being done in the name of anti-child-trafficking initiatives. Just a couple of days ago, I had to school the German police and LH airline rep that there is no German law or relevant airline COC requirement for a parent to transit Germany internationally with their own child in the accompaniment of the other parent(s) and/or with some easily-faked authorization letter from the other parent(s). Same goes for TSA asking for ID from children, I’ll help to try to school the TSA in what is not required. Same goes for TSA trying to engage in conversation with young children who know about “stranger-danger” and have a much higher innate ability to tell who is good and who is not than the average adult. |
Claim that TSA screeners are trained to prevent child trafficking
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Originally Posted by petaluma1
(Post 30465186)
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 30466928)
If parents lost a child, I wouldn’t want to count on the TSA doing much of any good by asking stupid questions as a reliable means of recovering the child. If parents get livid at the TSA for not stopping unlawful child trafficking, then the parents have other problems than just the missing child and are doing themselves and their child a disservice. The TSA’s competency is not in effectively interdicting unlawful child trafficking. The TSA can barely stop contraband weapons, explosives and incendiaries because it’s too distracted wasting resources on checking ID, asking questions and demanding all sorts of ridiculous things of passengers instead of just using the WTMD reliably and screening more effectively for explosives and incendiaries. |
Here's what AskTSA has to say:
642. Training for Department personnel to identify human trafficking (a) In general Not later than 180 days after May 29, 2015, the Secretary shall implement a program to- (1) train and periodically retrain relevant Transportation Security Administration, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, and other Department personnel that the Secretary considers appropriate, with respect to how to effectively deter, detect, and disrupt human trafficking, and, where appropriate, interdict a suspected perpetrator of human trafficking, during the course of their primary roles and responsibilities; and (2) ensure that the personnel referred to in paragraph (1) regularly receive current information on matters related to the detection of human trafficking, including information that becomes available outside of the Department's initial or periodic retraining schedule, to the extent relevant to their official duties and consistent with applicable information and privacy laws. (b) Training described The training referred to in subsection (a) may be conducted through in-class or virtual learning capabilities, and shall include- (1) methods for identifying suspected victims of human trafficking and, where appropriate, perpetrators of human trafficking; (2) for appropriate personnel, methods to approach a suspected victim of human trafficking, where appropriate, in a manner that is sensitive to the suspected victim and is not likely to alert a suspected perpetrator of human trafficking; (3) training that is most appropriate for a particular location or environment in which the personnel receiving such training perform their official duties; (4) other topics determined by the Secretary to be appropriate; and (5) a post-training evaluation for personnel receiving the training. |
It's interesting that they have finally admitted that they are doing this. I wonder what made them do this on AskTSA? (One part of me would like to think that we had something to do with it.) I wonder if it was as a morale booster (such as it is) among the clerkforce? Face it, the ID checkers have a pretty boring job, so, why not make them think they are on the front lines of the War on Kids Traveling with Parents in addition to the War on Terror and the War on Drugs?
I think the next thing for us to do is to keep our collective ears to the rail about reports of TSA clerks harassing, detaining, or even holding for arrest, parents trying to travel by air with their kids. Staring down kids and asking them to state their names and destination is harassment enough, but it will only get worse as the pressure gets put on the TSA and the individual clerks to "detect" human trafficking. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a mandatory evaluation criterion in each clerk's performance plan. |
I would call it the TSA’s racist and sexist war on kids traveling lawfully with one or more relatives.
Originally Posted by 84fiero
(Post 30467539)
I'm curious what TSA's training actually entails. I have no problem with TSA workers being given awareness training of human trafficking, but it shouldn't be something that's part of their supposed mission to proactively police, as you said it's not what their core competency is (err...should be anyway). At my gov't agency we're given annual human trafficking awareness training (we deal with oversight of contractors who could in theory use trafficked workers). But it's a short computer training session that's only intended to raise awareness so if we happen to see something suspicious, it could be referred to the appropriate authorities for further investigation. I certainly don't consider myself trained in interdiction, nor would it be appropriate to expect that of me. And I definitely don't think TSA's "say your name" bit should be happening.
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Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much
(Post 30485610)
It's interesting that they have finally admitted that they are doing this. I wonder what made them do this on AskTSA?
Her rants came in response to this post by another person: Somehow or another, child trafficking came into the discussion and the now-defunct tweeter said TSA screeners were trained to find children being trafficked and that they received retraining every year. I tweeted that TSA were charged with looking for WEI and nothing more. It was after that that [MENTION=334464]ASK[/MENTION]TSA confirmed their screeners were receiving training in human trafficking. *I tend to believe she was actually a screener and perhaps was giving away too many TSA "secrets". However, interestingly, almost as soon as she disappeared, another person popped up on Twitter who says he's a screener at DCA. He calls himself friend and his handle is @friend56801615. Why he is still tweeting if he is a screener is beyond me because he has some fairly harsh criticisms for TSA procedures. |
Originally Posted by petaluma1
(Post 30486918)
It started with a post from someone, whose page is no longer available, claiming to have many friends who worked at DCA* and was posting madly in support of all things TSA, .
Her rants came in response to this post by another person: https://twitter.com/atheenieweenie/s...15522916597762 Somehow or another, child trafficking came into the discussion and the now-defunct tweeter said TSA screeners were trained to find children being trafficked and that they received retraining every year. I tweeted that TSA were charged with looking for WEI and nothing more. It was after that that [MENTION=334464]ASK[/MENTION]TSA confirmed their screeners were receiving training in human trafficking. *I tend to believe she was actually a screener and perhaps was giving away too many TSA "secrets". However, interestingly, almost as soon as she disappeared, another person popped up on Twitter who says he's a screener at DCA. He calls himself friend and his handle is @friend56801615. Why he is still tweeting if he is a screener is beyond me because he has some fairly harsh criticisms for TSA procedures. |
Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much
(Post 30488261)
Yes -- I saw all the "tweets unavailable" in the conversation, such as it is. Isn't there a way to retrieve deleted twitter messages? Television and newspaper political commentators seem to be able to retrieve deleted messages posted by politicians all the time. I did a search on this Twitter name (@friend56801615) and found some responses to a female passenger who complained about being groped. The responses were well-written, which makes me believe that they were written by a "professional", if you catch my drift.
Yes, friend does seem to write well and yet he claims to be only 19 years old. |
Originally Posted by petaluma1
(Post 30488379)
In the case of the "unavailable tweets", the account has been closed down which is why the tweets are not accessible.
Yes, friend does seem to write well and yet he claims to be only 19 years old. |
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