Originally Posted by realjd
(Post 16766898)
No self-respecting software engineer would deliver a system that didn't meet the requirements. L3 is very upfront about the fact that the machines are capable of storing images, but they disabled it when delivered to the TSA. I don't trust TSA but I do trust that the engineers did their jobs.
It's not "obscuring" the naked image, it's running image processing algorithms on it to detect anomalies then highlighting that body part on a stick figure. The stick figure is a generic cartoon, not a blurred version of the original image data or something like that. On top of all that, the manufacturers requested and received exceptions of liability(via the Safety Act), to limit their liability, most assuredly for safety. Sorry, the company wants to sell the devices and make money, that is their primary concern, and in a race to get gov. money, there's no telling what they skipped. Neither they nor the TSA can be trusted when it comes to the equipment. |
I thought they stop doing it? Doesn't says ain't no bodyscanners to installed at nations airport anymore. It should have enough to installed more bodyscanners. It should have a trusted those passengers to kept their privacy and no one ever go through the bodyscanners. Enough is enough!!!
Good riddance to TSA & John Pistole!!! :mad::mad::td::td: |
Originally Posted by VonS
(Post 16767562)
A friend went through the nude-o-scope at ORD today. Had his big fat wallet in his pocket and they never noticed. Those things really work well! NOT! What a waste of money.
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Originally Posted by goalie
(Post 16767386)
I will still opt out
If they ever get rid of the opt-out option and make NOS primary, I will start looking for a new job in an enlightened country such as Switzerland or Sweden and I'll go to Mexico to fly to my new home country!!! |
Originally Posted by MDtR-Chicago
(Post 16767814)
The TSA CIO (forget his name) recently testified before Congress that L3 has not disabled anything. The ability to save an image is only password protected; still quite active in the installed machines.
Then they said the images could only save in test mode, and clearly they lied. Why the bleep is no one going to jail over this? |
Originally Posted by SFOSpiff
(Post 16768161)
So first they said the machines couldn't save images at all, and clearly they lied.
Then they said the images could only save in test mode, and clearly they lied. Why the bleep is no one going to jail over this? Can't find a transcript anywhere right now. He might have said that the machines were initially password protected when rolled out but a software change had completely closed down the ability to save images. Wish I could find his exact words. Regardless, the machines in the airports had the capability to save images long after TSA said they didn't. And they currently have the capability with no more than a software change necessary. |
Originally Posted by MDtR-Chicago
(Post 16768189)
Now you've got me second-guessing myself. The testimony was from the March 16 House Oversight Committee hearing.
Can't find a transcript anywhere right now. He might have said that the machines were initially password protected when rolled out but a software change had completely closed down the ability to save images. Wish I could find his exact words. Regardless, the machines in the airports had the capability to save images long after TSA said they didn't. And they currently have the capability with no more than a software change necessary. Then, we have to sort out whether or not he was being truthful. |
This effectively addresses the modesty issue, only one of the big four.
As a reminder, the current procedures are opposed for four reasons:
This change may reduce the severity of #2. The other remain virtually unchanged. Technology that could scan my house and show a picture of contraband hidden in my desk drawer is no less intrusive than the same technology indicating its location with a line drawing. It is not how they are looking under our clothes it is the fact that they are looking under our clothes. |
Originally Posted by InkUnderNails
(Post 16768859)
This effectively addresses the modesty issue, only one of the big four.
As a reminder, the current procedures are opposed for four reasons:
This change may reduce the severity of #2. The other remain virtually unchanged. Technology that could scan my house and show a picture of contraband hidden in my desk drawer is no less intrusive than the same technology indicating its location with a line drawing. It is not how they are looking under our clothes it is the fact that they are looking under our clothes. But I would add to your list: 5. They are slower than the WTMD, meaning either longer lines or more lanes. 6. Passengers being scanned have difficulty maintaining line-of-sight to their belongings (which includes, now, wallets and watches), increasing the risk of property theft. |
Originally Posted by RadioGirl
(Post 16768924)
+1
But I would add to your list: 5. They are slower than the WTMD, meaning either longer lines or more lanes. 6. Passengers being scanned have difficulty maintaining line-of-sight to their belongings (which includes, now, wallets and watches), increasing the risk of property theft. The presence of the scanners provides opportunity to observe these failures more often and in higher clarity. So let's combine and add a #5:
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Originally Posted by InkUnderNails
(Post 16769141)
I definitely agree. #5 is loosely connected to #4. Both #5 and #6 are probably more due to the inability of the screeners to be trained, their little tyrant attitudes, or the failure of the system to see passengers as more than self loading luggage. Those problems occurred before the scanners and will likely continue after they are gone.
The presence of the scanners provides opportunity to observe these failures more often and in higher clarity. So let's combine and add a #5:
A virtual nude search and/or a law enforcement type pat down at an airport |
Originally Posted by Georgia Peach
(Post 16767681)
Shouldn't the goal be FEWER pat downs? :mad:
By Kelly Yamanouchi The Atlanta Journal-Constitution If there are no issues, the monitor will display “OK.” If there are anomalies, passengers would still go through additional screening such as a pat-down. At least one critic questioned the effectiveness of the new software. Charlie Leocha, director of the Consumer Travel Alliance, said he thinks there are more false positives with the new software, leading to more of the pat-downs that some consider invasive. “We’re gaining more privacy in terms of the scanner itself not showing the full bodies. However, we’re then giving up the privacy” through more pat-downs, Leocha said. Inside AJC.COM |
Originally Posted by average_passenger
(Post 16768124)
I will too!! ... I have nothing to hide, I'm not fat or anything, I'm thin but still, I get to choose who I get naked for, not the government. For those of you that think I'm being paranoid, I hope the next time you fly, some TSO will rub your crotch multiple times and ask you for your name.
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Originally Posted by InkUnderNails
(Post 16768859)
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It is not how they are looking under our clothes it is the fact that they are looking under our clothes.
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 16769297)
I would rephrase #1:
A virtual nude search and/or a law enforcement type pat down at an airport |
TSA press release:
AIT safely screens passengers without physical contact for both metallic and non-metallic threats, including weapons and explosives. Yet another TSA statement that plays loose with the facts:
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Jim Harper's analysis on Cato
the TSA is allowing a small increase in risk in exchange for large gains in privacy and cost savings. The reason it took years of complaints, litigation, legislation, and other conflict is because the TSA did not analyze the risks and its responses before going forward with strip-search machines as it did... The full post is at http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/tsas-...ll-body-scans/None of this means the TSA has now gotten the balance right. The airport security gauntlet will still be an overwrought mess and an affront to constitutional liberty. We will have to remain insistent on principle, on dignity and privacy, and on sound risk management while TSA gets a public relations bump from being less awful than it was before. |
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