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tev9999 Jul 15, 2011 6:36 am

Did TSA Just Do Something Right? - Explosives Found @ YUM
 
http://www.kyma.com/slp.php?idN=5298&cat=News


An Army Private is accused of trying to board a plane with an explosive material at the Yuma International Airport. TSA detected the explosive material during a security check. U.S. Army Private First Class Christopher Eric Wey was detained for investigation before boarding a flight to Los Angeles from Yuma yesterday. TSA found one-half ounce of C4 explosive hidden in a tobacco can inside one of Wey's bags.

"He was taking part in a 7 week explosives training course in yuma, in which they were using and learning how to detonate explosives, including c4," explained Robert Sherwood with the U.S. Attorney's Office in Arizona.

He said Wey was leaving Yuma after being released early from the program for poor performance.
It will be interesting to see how they found this - ETD, X-Ray, Gate Grope, or BDO.

celticwhisper Jul 15, 2011 7:05 am


Originally Posted by tev9999 (Post 16732177)
http://www.kyma.com/slp.php?idN=5298&cat=News



It will be interesting to see how they found this - ETD, X-Ray, Gate Grope, or BDO.

Expecting a "See how important we are?" post on the TSA blog in 3...2...1...

As I've said before and will say again, though, even if TSA is effective it's still not justification for the violations of our civil rights.

Protecting individual liberty and personal privacy is always more important than saving lives. "But" nothing, no exceptions, every time.

jfunk138 Jul 15, 2011 7:08 am


Originally Posted by celticwhisper (Post 16732309)
Expecting a "See how important we are?" post on the TSA blog in 3...2...1...

As I've said before and will say again, though, even if TSA is effective it's still not justification for the violations of our civil rights.

Protecting individual liberty and personal privacy is always more important than saving lives. "But" nothing, no exceptions, every time.

The most important question, that the media will fail to ask is: would pre-9/11/2001 have detected this threat as well? My guess is that the answer is yes.

FlyingUnderTheRadar Jul 15, 2011 7:23 am


Originally Posted by celticwhisper (Post 16732309)
Expecting a "See how important we are?" post on the TSA blog in 3...2...1...

As I've said before and will say again, though, even if TSA is effective it's still not justification for the violations of our civil rights.

They were inspecting luggage not the person. Given that there is still a far better chance of a potentially deadly device being put on an airplane than a person I have no objections to luggage and carry being inspected. This statement does not mean I agree with the shoe or liquid carnival. But reasonable baggage inspection is not unreasonable.



Originally Posted by jfunk138 (Post 16732319)
The most important question, that the media will fail to ask is: would pre-9/11/2001 have detected this threat as well? My guess is that the answer is yes.

Though the media will fail to ask, I will disagree with your assessment. I doubt pre Sept 11 that the material would be found given the level of screening baggage received at that point in time; 2D with little enhancement vs now 3D with enhancement.

Also the soldier is like many PAX who have tried to board the plane with something they knowingly should not. I have zero sympathy for him. His actions rank right up there with the other dumbazz PAX who try to hide other contraband (regardless of whether it is prohibited on an aircraft or an illegal substance).

The TSA did their job however, the fact that there was no intent to harm mutes the case but TSA will not see it that way.

FriendlySkies Jul 15, 2011 7:24 am


Originally Posted by celticwhisper (Post 16732309)
Expecting a "See how important we are?" post on the TSA blog in 3...2...1...

As I've said before and will say again, though, even if TSA is effective it's still not justification for the violations of our civil rights.

Protecting individual liberty and personal privacy is always more important than saving lives. "But" nothing, no exceptions, every time.

You can bet that them finding 13 knives @ BWI will also be on that list...

http://wtop.com/?nid=41&sid=2457266

LeapingFrogs Jul 15, 2011 7:32 am

They could find a guy packing a nuke in his skivvies and I'd still be calling for the disbannment of the TSA.

It's not really a case of them doing something right, it's a case of them actually for once doing their JOB. They're suppose to scan and test luggage for explosives. They found some, yippy. Whatever. That's what they're suppose to find! Of course for every one that's caught, 100 more go right by them because they're too busy scoping the lines for the next 94 year old grandma to molest or 6 year old to abuse. Maybe they'd be better at catching stuff in luggage if they weren't so concerned about their amature porn fixation. Or, maybe not.

alanR Jul 15, 2011 7:34 am

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day - though better than a clock that runs slow or fast

mikemey Jul 15, 2011 7:38 am


Originally Posted by alanR (Post 16732424)
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day - though better than a clock that runs slow or fast

beat me to, it. I was on my way in here to say exactly this.

spd476 Jul 15, 2011 7:45 am

It would be interesting to know how they found it but I'm sure they will just say it's one of the many layers that caught it.

I know C4 is highly explosive, but is a half ounce a dangerous amount? Was he carrying anything that could have detonated it? It sounds like this guy was trying to take home a souvenir from training. That's not the smartest idea. I'm not sure if this was a dangereous amount but at least the TSA found something that could potentially take down a plane.

rochel Jul 15, 2011 7:51 am

I was just as surprised to hear that Yuma had an International airport!

Wally Bird Jul 15, 2011 8:05 am


Originally Posted by spd476 (Post 16732469)
I'm not sure if this was a dangereous amount but at least the TSA found something that could potentially take down a plane.

Only with a detonator.

Caradoc Jul 15, 2011 8:08 am


Originally Posted by LeapingFrogs (Post 16732411)
t's not really a case of them doing something right, it's a case of them actually for once doing their JOB.

No kidding. It gives one pause when the TSA claims they found a half-ounce of C4 inside a tobacco tin inside a bag when they failed five out of five in detecting a handgun carried on the body, a trio of box cutters in a carry-on, a stun gun... the list goes on.

It's also interesting to note the timing on a "find" like that. The TSA takes a beating in the press, and suddenly they've "found" some real explosives? Weird. Or not.

Wally Bird Jul 15, 2011 8:11 am


Originally Posted by Caradoc (Post 16732585)
No kidding. It gives one pause when the TSA claims they found a half-ounce of C4 inside a tobacco tin inside a bag when they failed five out of five in detecting a handgun carried on the body, a trio of box cutters in a carry-on, a stun gun... the list goes on.

It's also interesting to note the timing on a "find" like that. The TSA takes a beating in the press, and suddenly they've "found" some real explosives? Weird. Or not.

Not. Given what goes on around Yuma I don't find it surprising that the checkpoint workers there are a bit more on the ball than normal.

flyermatthew Jul 15, 2011 8:22 am


Originally Posted by rochel (Post 16732498)
I was just as surprised to hear that Yuma had an International airport!

"International Airport" just means that they have the capability to process incoming flights. It doesn't mean that there's regularly scheduled service. The Des Moines airport is "international," which I think means there is a CBP officer they can call up and say, "drive to the airport, a plane from Canada just diverted here." It doesn't have to be much - and it seems like some airport authorities just want to be "international" to sound better.

Caradoc Jul 15, 2011 9:13 am


Originally Posted by Wally Bird (Post 16732595)
Not. Given what goes on around Yuma I don't find it surprising that the checkpoint workers there are a bit more on the ball than normal.

Given their traffic levels I wouldn't be surprised to find that they've got enough time to actually screen bags in a reasonable fashion, either - but the timing on this "catch" is suspect.


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