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Originally Posted by cb1111
(Post 16693425)
The people who understand security agree as well. It is the paranoid group that thinks that they understand security (but in reality are clueless) that disagree with anything that the Government does.
It is funny, I travel a great deal (on a plane at least once a week for the past 6 months) in various airports in the US and have yet to be groped or asked to do anything but walk through the WTMD. I must be doing something wrong because I'm not subjected to the indignities that the tin foil crew is exposed to. Maybe my mistake is that I take everything out of my pockets and stow it in my carryon before I get to the checkpoint. I remove my watch (and only have been asked once to remove my belt) and put my shoes on the conveyor. I've never even had my carryon pulled aside for an inspection. I've even been known to say "Good morning" to the guy or gal checking my boarding pass against my ID. Obviously everyone is shocked by some of the stupid things that happen at times but even the tin foil crew has to admit that they are isolated cases given the sheer amount of passengers transiting airports every day. Come to think of it, in the last month or so I've only seen one pax pulled out of line for additional screening. Perhaps I'm traveling in a parallel universe. Or maybe it is that I don't expect to get hassled and so I don't. Tin foil crew??? That may describe Alex Jones, but certainly not me. :mad: Also, I question your veracity, for not having to go through AIT in the last six months. Potentially your routes do not vary and your to/from airports do not have AIT... Your implication is just false. I guess the little girls and old ladies have tin foil hats, then??? |
All depends on the airport. No nude body scanner not only means no nude body scans, but also significantly fewer pat-downs.
Call me tin-foil hat if you want -- I don't believe in government conspiracies, just government stupidity, power plays, and dirty money -- but I've seen many people with blue gloves on their crotches and in their pants. It's all for nothing. If you had to sneak a handgun through security on your body, would you try it with a metal detector or with a nude body scanner? There are plenty of ways to defeat the nude body scanner (cover item with proper density material, hide in body cavity, hide under large breasts or other body fat, get lucky and end up with a screener that's not paying attention, etc.), but there's nothing you're going to do to get that handgun through a WTMD. ...and I'm sorry, who were you referring to that understands security that thinks highly of the TSA?
Originally Posted by cb1111
(Post 16693425)
The people who understand security agree as well. It is the paranoid group that thinks that they understand security (but in reality are clueless) that disagree with anything that the Government does.
It is funny, I travel a great deal (on a plane at least once a week for the past 6 months) in various airports in the US and have yet to be groped or asked to do anything but walk through the WTMD. I must be doing something wrong because I'm not subjected to the indignities that the tin foil crew is exposed to. Maybe my mistake is that I take everything out of my pockets and stow it in my carryon before I get to the checkpoint. I remove my watch (and only have been asked once to remove my belt) and put my shoes on the conveyor. I've never even had my carryon pulled aside for an inspection. I've even been known to say "Good morning" to the guy or gal checking my boarding pass against my ID. Obviously everyone is shocked by some of the stupid things that happen at times but even the tin foil crew has to admit that they are isolated cases given the sheer amount of passengers transiting airports every day. Come to think of it, in the last month or so I've only seen one pax pulled out of line for additional screening. Perhaps I'm traveling in a parallel universe. Or maybe it is that I don't expect to get hassled and so I don't. |
Originally Posted by mulieri
(Post 16693516)
Potentially your routes do not vary and your to/from airports do not have AIT...
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Originally Posted by Caradoc
(Post 16693587)
I'm wondering just what his/her position with DHS/TSA is, myself.
I've flown over 70,000 miles so far this year, and I have been groped on more than one occasion. |
Originally Posted by mulieri
(Post 16693516)
...Also, I question your veracity, for not having to go through AIT in the last six months. Potentially your routes do not vary and your to/from airports do not have AIT...
San Diego, Washington Dulles, Washington Reagan, Colorado Springs, Denver, Chicago. I'm not sure about San Diego, but I know all the others have AITs in place. |
Originally Posted by halls120
(Post 16693644)
Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a winner. The poster in question is most likely either a DHS/TSA employee, or works for a company that makes equipment that DHS purchases.
I've flown over 70,000 miles so far this year, and I have been groped on more than one occasion. And you are both wrong. |
Originally Posted by halls120
(Post 16693644)
...I've flown over 70,000 miles so far this year, and I have been groped on more than one occasion.
I've been wanded and my leg "patted down" right above the knee to resolve a zipper, but that was the extent of the "grope" as you guys would call it. It is very simple; while some TSA policies make little sense and some screeners have gone power mad, the basic premise that we need enhanced security is accurate, Many of the forum members here seem to forget that. |
Originally Posted by cb1111
(Post 16693728)
I've been wanded and my leg "patted down" right above the knee to resolve a zipper, but that was the extent of the "grope" as you guys would call it.
It is very simple; while some TSA policies make little sense and some screeners have gone power mad, the basic premise that we need enhanced security is accurate, Many of the forum members here seem to forget that. |
Originally Posted by cb1111
(Post 16693728)
I've been wanded and my leg "patted down" right above the knee to resolve a zipper, but that was the extent of the "grope" as you guys would call it.
Also, more than one person has reported that they were given the full pat-down for an "anomaly." So, where exactly did this happen? And when? |
I think everyone I know (including my mother and father) has been manhandled by the TSA since last October. Including a friend who is an anchor person on a local Fox station, who had a very public battle with cancer, whom the TSO recognized and KNEW he wasn't a terrorist... but he got his junk touched anyway. Must have been very exciting for that TSO to fondle the jewels of a TV personality. My Facebook explodes about once a week with TSA hate stories just from people I know personally.
Another friend of mine is in a fairly popular rock band (double-platinum albums in their 18 year career). He did a USO tour in Afghanistan and Iraq about 18 months ago, on the front lines... security at the bases in war zones weren't as invasive as they are at the airport. He's really tired of having his musical jewels handled too. Let's hope something happens soon... I'd like to take a vacation to someplace warm where it doesn't rain 300 days a year. But not until I can be assured some half-wit in a blue uniform isn't going to be rooting around in my bra for god knows what kind of treasure. |
Originally Posted by cb1111
(Post 16693728)
I've been wanded and my leg "patted down" right above the knee to resolve a zipper, but that was the extent of the "grope" as you guys would call it.
It is very simple; while some TSA policies make little sense and some screeners have gone power mad, the basic premise that we need enhanced security is accurate, Many of the forum members here seem to forget that. This country is not about saving lives. It's not about being safe. It's about freedom from government intrusion into your life (including your travels) and accepting the risks that come with liberty. So no, that premise of yours is not accurate. That premise is disgusting and it opens the door for a disorganized, capricious, psychotic government to do whatever it wants on a whim, "for teh lulz" as they say, and justify it with "This keeps you safe, so shut up and accept it because it's already getting done." |
Originally Posted by cb1111
(Post 16693728)
I've been wanded and my leg "patted down" right above the knee to resolve a zipper, but that was the extent of the "grope" as you guys would call it.
It is very simple; while some TSA policies make little sense and some screeners have gone power mad, the basic premise that we need enhanced security is accurate, Many of the forum members here seem to forget that. Because of your attitude, sir, the terrorists have one. I, for one, am trying my damnest to make sure that the terrorists DON'T win, and that means making sure our way of life isn't changed by the "Anything for security" crowd. |
It is in the best interest of passengers and the authorities to follow procedures and certainly in the best interest of the passengers to cooperate. |
Originally Posted by Caradoc
(Post 16693750)
That's very interesting - given that more than one TSA employee has posted that the hand-held metal detectors (or "wands") were retired when the AIT was rolled out.
Also, more than one person has reported that they were given the full pat-down for an "anomaly." So, where exactly did this happen? And when? I've seen wands in use in COS (Colorado Springs) as recently as two weeks ago. |
Originally Posted by celticwhisper
(Post 16690195)
Anyone up for a letter-writing campaign to set this journalist straight?
So why would he bother with this stupid editorial? Eyeballs. Next month when the analytics are reviewed for the station's website, they can high-five themselves over the traffic this has generated for all their ads. So goes television "journalism". :rolleyes: |
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